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Does God Exist - SonofSun - 04-03-2006
AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION.
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.
He asks one of his new students to stand and .....
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student: No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
Student does not answer.
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
Student has no answer.
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat ?
Prof: Yes.
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student: No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold.
Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.... But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH.
That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
WANT TO KNOW WHO THAT STUDENT WAS ?
Does God Exist - عدلي - 04-07-2006
تحياتي
ما دام لم يجب احد على الموضوع فسوف اجيب على بعض النقاط فيه :
اقتباس:الأستاذ: أَخّي ماتَ من السرطانِ بالرغم من أنَّ صَلّى إلى الله لشَفَائه. معظمنا يُحاولُ مُسَاعَدَة الآخرين الذي مرضى. لكن الله لَمْ. كيف هذا الله الجيد ثمّ؟ Hmm؟
(طالب صامتُ. )
ما هو مش معقول كل واحد مريض يصلي الى الله فيشفية والا ما فيش حد حيموت والكل بقي عايش !!
الله محبة وقوي هذا صحيح ولكن المرض والموت دخل الينا بسبب الخطية التي ارتكبها ادم وحواء فقد كانوا يعيشون بالجنة قبل السقوط ولم يكن يوجد مرض ولا يموت وبالخطية دخل الموت الى العالم
اقتباس:الأستاذ: هَلْ شيطان جيد؟
الطالب: لا.
الأستاذ: مِنْ أَيْنَ يأتي شيطان؟
الطالب: مِنْ. . . الله. . .
لا طبعا الشيطان لم ياتي من الله وهذا خطأ
الشيطان كان رئيس ملائكة وكان اجمل وابهر واحد فيهم ولكن بسبب غرورة اراد ان يصبح مثل الله فسقط واصبح شيطان فطردة الله والله لم يخلقة شيطان ولكن هذا الملاك بسبب غرورة سقط واصبح شيطان
اقتباس:الأستاذ: الشرّ في كل مكان، أليس كذلك؟ والله جَعلَ كُلّ شيءَ. صحيح؟
الطالب: نعم.
لا هذا غير صحيح
المسيحية تؤمن :
الله لا يخلق الاداة التي تصنع الشر ولكن الشر يأتي من سوء استخدام الاداة
الله لا يحرم المادة ولكن يحرم سوء استخدام المادة
الله لم يخلق الشر ولكن الشر اتي من عصيان الانسان لله واصبح هذا الانسان فاسد بسقوط في الخطية
اقتباس:الأستاذ: هَلْ هناك مرض؟ العُهر؟ الكراهية؟ القُبح؟ تَجِدُ كُلّ هذه الأشياءِ الفظيعةِ في العالمِ، أليس كذلك؟
الطالب: نعم يا سيدي.
الأستاذ: لذا، مَنْ خَلقَهم؟
الطالب لَيْسَ لهُ جوابُ.
كل هذه الاشياء من اختراع البشر الذي فسدت طبيعتهم بعصيانهم الله حبا في الخطية لان الله قدوس والانسان خاطي وهوة عظيمة بين الاثنين ..
الله لا يخلق الشر وانما الشر هو من عصيان الانسان لاوامر الله
اقتباس:الأستاذ: العِلْم يَقُولُ بأنّك عِنْدَكَ 5 أحاسيسِ تَستعملُ لتَمييز ومُلاحَظَة العالمِ حولك. أخبرْني، إبن. . . هَلْ أنت سَبَقَ أنْ رَأيتَ الله؟
الطالب: لا يا سيدي.
الله لا يمكن ان يراه احد فالله قال (الانسان لا يراني ويعيش)
وعندما اراد الله ان نراة رايناه في الجسد .. اي متجسدا في هيئة انسان ليقدم عنا العقاب الذي يستحقة البشر جميعا نتيجة عصيانهم لله لان الفادي يجب ان يكون منزة عن الخطأ وقدوس وبلا خطية حتى يكون السفك كامل ومقبول من الله وبموت المسيح على الصليب فتح باب الفردوس الذي كان مغلقا واصبح كل انسان ان يتوب عن الخطية عن طريق المسيح لانه قد دفع الثمن بدمه المسفوك بدلا عنا