(10-10-2011, 03:33 AM)ahmed ibrahim كتب:  ما هذا التخبط الذى يمارسه :- زيد جلال !!!

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(10-16-2011, 11:45 AM)JOHN DECA كتب:  دعونا نتعرف على مصدر اسم هاروت وماروت التي اوردهما القران ضمن تخاريفه ..!

اسم هاروت وماروت ... مأخوذ من الاساطير الفارسية والديانة الزرداشتية !

ويلفظان هكذا :

Haurvatat and Ameretat

هاروفتات
امارتات

لنقرأ عن : Haurvatat ( هاروت )

Haurvatat (Haurvatāt) is the Avestan language word for the Zoroastrian concept of "wholeness" or "perfection." The hypostasis of that concept is the divinity Haurvatat, who is the Amesha Spenta of water (cf. apo), prosperity, and health.

للمزيد من هنا :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haurvatat

وفي نفس الصفحة جاء عن Ameretat بالتلازم مع Haurvatat

Already in the Gathas, Haurvatat is closely allied with Ameretat, the Amesha Spenta of "Immortality". Addressing Ahura Mazda in Yasna 34.11, the prophet Zoroaster exclaims that "both Wholeness and Immortality are for sustenance" in the Kingdom of God. In the same verse, as also in Yasna 45.10 and 51.7, parallels are drawn between Ameretat and Haurvatat on the one hand and "endurance and strength" on the other.


وهذه صفحة خاصة عن : Ameretat ( ماروت )

Ameretat (Amərətāt) is the Avestan language name of the Zoroastrian divinity/divine concept of "not dying." As the hypostasis of immortality, Ameretat is the Amesha Spenta of long life on earth and perpetuality in the hereafter.
Etymologically, Avestan ameretat derives from an Indo-Iranian root and is linguistically related to Vedic Sanskrit amṛtatva. The Indo-Iranian root has in turn Indo-European origins. In Common Era Zoroastrian tradition, Ameretat appears as Middle Persian Amurdad, continuing in New Persian as Mordad or Amordad.
The word ameretat is grammatically feminine and the divinity Ameretat is a female entity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameretat


اذن هاروت وماروت ... فارسية !

اما كيفية وصولها الى محمد .... فلم يكن عسيراً !

لو علمنا بأن اقرب صحابته اليه هو سلمان الفارسي !

فسمع منه عن اسماء اشهر الملائكة في دينه الفارسي السابق ..
فحورهما محمد الى عربانيته ووضعهما على صيغة سجع كعادته ..
فصارا : هاروت وماروت !!!

مثل قابيل وهابيل !
جالوت وطالوت !
موسى وعيسى !

هذا كان حول الاسمين ...

اما عن الاسطورة بحد ذاتها والقصة الخرافية , فقد كانت من نتاج مخيلة جهلاء اليهود نقلوها من اساطير فارسية وبابلية ..

اسطورة هاروت وماروت في التلمود :

وجدير بالذكر ان هذه الاسطورة في التلمود لا يحمل الملاكان اسما : هاروت وماروت ..
انما " عزازيل " و " شمحزاي " !!!

وانهما هبطا الى الارض بعد ان ركبت فيهما الشهوة ..
واشتهى احدهما فتاة اسمها اسطير ( ومن اسمها اشتقت كلمة : اسطورة ! وهي افروديت ايضاً في اساطير اليونان وعشتار في الاساطير البابلية )

ووعدته باعطاء نفسها له ان علمها الاسم الاعظم الذي يصعد به الى السماء .. فعلمها , فخالفت وعدها وتعففت .. فرفعت الى السماء ووضعها الاله بين النجوم مكافأة لها !
وهي خرافات نقلها الاسلام !!!

لنقرأ من التلمود والمدراش :

The fall of Azazel and Shemhazai came about in this way. When the generation of the deluge began to practice idolatry, God was deeply grieved. The two angels Shemhazai and Azazel arose, and said: "O Lord of the world! It has happened, that which we foretold at the creation of the world and of man, saying, 'What is man, that Thou art mindful of him?' " And God said, "And what will become of the world now without man?" Whereupon the angels: "We will occupy ourselves with it." Then said God: "I am well aware of it, and I know that if you inhabit the earth, the evil inclination will overpower you, and you will be more iniquitous than ever men." The angels pleaded, "Grant us but permission to dwell among men, and Thou shalt see how we will sanctify Thy Name." God yielded to their wish, saying, "Descend and sojourn among men!"
When the angels came to earth, and beheld the daughters of men in all their grace and beauty, they could not restrain their passion. Shemhazai saw a maiden named Istehar, and he lost his heart to her. She promised to surrender herself to him, if first he taught her the Ineffable Name, by means of which he raised himself to heaven. He assented to her condition. But once she knew it, she pronounced the Name, and herself ascended to heaven, without fulfilling her promise to the angel. God said, "Because she kept herself aloof from sin, we will place her among the seven stars, that men may never forget her," and she was put in the constellation of the Pleiades.
Shemhazai and Azazel, however, were not deterred from entering into alliances with the daughters of men, and to the first two sons were born. Azazel began to devise the finery and the ornaments by means of which women allure men. Thereupon God sent Metatron to tell Shemhazai that He had resolved to destroy the world and bring on a deluge. The fallen angel began to weep and grieve over the fate of the world and the fate of his two sons. If the world went under, what would they have to eat, they who needed daily a thousand camels, a thousand horses, and a thousand steers?
These two sons of Shemhazai, Hiwwa and Hiyya by name, dreamed dreams. The one saw a great stone which covered the earth, and the earth was marked all over with lines upon lines of writing. An angel came, and with a knife obliterated all the lines, leaving but four letters upon the stone. The other son saw a large pleasure grove planted with all sorts of trees. But angels approached bearing axes, and they felled the trees, sparing a single one with three of its branches.
When Hiwwa and Hiyya awoke, they repaired to their father, who interpreted the dreams for them, saying, "God will bring a deluge, and none will escape with his life, excepting only Noah and his sons." When they heard this, the two began to and scream, but their father consoled them: "Soft, soft! Do not grieve. As often as men cut or haul stones, or launch vessels, they shall invoke your names, Hiwwa! Hiyya!" This prophecy soothed them.
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http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj106.htm

ملاحظة تعلمية جانبية :

هل اكتشتفم اثناء القراءة في هذه الاسطورة عن تواجد عبارة قديمة تواترت عند الناس الى اليوم ويستخدمونها بدون ان يفهمونها اثناء قيامهم بعمل شاق ...؟!

انها عبارة : " هيلا هوبا " !!!

نعم !

ولكنها في الاسطورة اسم ابني الملاك الساقط شمحزاي : هوا و هيا !!!!

وانهما حلما حلماً افزعهما .. فطمأنهما والدهما الملاك :
بأن اسميهما سيظل خالداً وان الناس ستردده اثناء قيامهم بأي عمل كقطع الحجارة او شد الات هكذا :
( هيا هوا ) او " هيلا هوبا " !!!!!!

When Hiwwa and Hiyya awoke, they repaired to their father, who interpreted the dreams for them, saying, "God will bring a deluge, and none will escape with his life, excepting only Noah and his sons." When they heard this, the two began to and scream, but their father consoled them: "Soft, soft! Do not grieve. As often as men cut or haul stones, or launch vessels, they shall invoke your names, Hiwwa! Hiyya

اما في الفصل الخاص بسليمان ... فنقرأ عن الملاكان الساقطان :

عزا وعزائيل !
( لاحظوا السجع ايضاً , مثل هاروت وماروت !

وان سليمان يذهب اليهما طائراً على جناح نسر ( خرافة نقلها القران عن ان الريح مسخرة لسليمان ! )

وبقوة " الخاتم " ! ( ايضاً خرافة منقولة عند المسلمين : خاتم سليمان يجبرهما على تعليمه الاسرار السماوية !


As the spirits were subservient to him, so also the animals. He had an eagle upon whose back he was transported to the desert and back again in one day, to build there the city called Tadmor in the Bible This city must not be confounded with the later Syrian city of Palmyra, also called Tadmor. It was situated near the "mountains of darkness," the trysting-place of the spirits and demons. Thither the eagle would carry Solomon in the twinkling of an eye, and Solomon would drop a paper inscribed with a verse among the spirits, to ward off evil from himself. Then the eagle would reconnoitre the mountains of darkness, until he had spied out the spot in which the fallen angels 'Azza and 'Azzael lie chained with iron fetters a spot which no one, not even a bird, may visit. When the eagle found the place, he would take Solomon under his left wing, and fly to the two angels. Through the power of the ring having the Holy Name graven upon it, which Solomon put into the eagle's mouth, 'Azza and 'Azzael were forced to reveal the heavenly mysteries to the king.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj406.htm

فنلاحظ ارتباط سليمان بالملكين ! ( كما جاء في القران )

كل هذا العجين من الاساطير ... كان منقولاً في بيئة محمد , وهو يسمعه ويستقر في عقله ...
ثم صاغه باسلوبه وتحويره ... فخرج علينا قرآناً يتلى !!!!

الاسلام والقران ينقلان خرافات مصنعة ما انزلت بسلطان ....!!!!

ذكرني بحدوتة عادل امام : فتح بطن السمكة ملقاش الخاتم !!