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لماذا قام العراقيون باستخدام نشيد موطني كنشيد وطني ؟؟
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RE: لماذا قام العراقيون باستخدام نشيد موطني كنشيد وطني ؟؟
(08-02-2010, 01:52 PM)طيف كتب:  أهلين ومرحبتين زميل اوبزرفر


اقتباس:الاعتراض على عدم منطقية الطلب، فكيف سيرجع شعب بعد الفي عام من هجرته من ارض ما يعيش عليها منذ ذلك التاريخ شعب آخر ليطالب بها كوطن قومي له؟؟!! فاذا اخذنا في هذا المنطق فان العالم سينقلب راسا على عقب، فسيطالب مثلا البيزنطيين او اليونان بضم تركيا الى اليونان بعد ازاحة الشعب التركي الى اواسط اسيا، او سيطالب الهنود الحمر بامريكا بارجاع البيض الى اوروبا ليقيموا عليها وطن قومي هندي و هكذا دواليك.

هذا كلام فيه الكثير من التجني الانساني ومغالطة كبيرة

اولا نسأل هل هاجر اليهودي من فلسطين ارض انبياءه وترك ارضه المقدسة طواعية وبرغبته ؟؟

الزميل طيف،

مع ان كيفية خروج معظم اليهود من فلسطين ما زالت موضع جدل بين المؤرخين الا انه لا يهم كيف خرج اليهودي قبل ٢٠٠٠ عام من ارضه، فنحن الان امام وضع غريب و شاذ لابعد الحدود! اذ اننا امام مهاجرين اخذوا يتدفقون علينا و يطردوننا من ارضنا بالقوة و حجتهم في ذلك انهم قبل ٢٠٠٠ عام سكنوها و جاؤوا الان لاستعادتها. يعني لو عرضوا علينا مثلا ان يأتي بعضهم الى فلسطين في اطار الدولة الفلسطينية و لاعتبارات انسانية كحل لمشكلة بعضهم بالعالم لقلنا جائز و ممكن، اما ان يأتوا مدعين حق فلا يمكن. يا رجل حتى قوانين بعض الدول المتقدمة كايطاليا مثلا تسقط حق الجنسية عن الايطالي و بالتالي حقه بالعودة الى ايطاليا اذا ما كان قد تركها( لاي سبب كان)، منذ زمن معين مثل زمن ما قبل الجمهورية او في زمن الملكية.

لا يوجد اي مسؤولية للدين المسيحي لما حصل مع اليهود، اذ ليس هناك اي نصوص دينية مسيحية توضح كيفية معاملتهم سوى محبة الاعداء ان كانوا فعلا اعداء.
و لكن يوجد مسؤولية تقع على عاتق المسيحيين تتعلق بإضطهادهم باوروبا، و صحيح ان الكثير منهم اجبر على اعتناق المسيحية خصوصا باسبانيا بعد تطهيرها من العرب. و لكن اليهود يتقاسمون جزء من هذه المسؤولية باختيارهم الطوعي بعدم الا ندماج بالمجتمع الاوروبي و معاملة ابناء المجتمع الذين يعيشون فيه معاملة الاغيار، فلم يكن اليهودي مثلا يرابي على اليهودي بل على غير اليهودي و في كثير من الاحيان كانوا يعزلون انفسهم بتجمعات قبل ان يفرض الاوروبي عليهم ذلك، و لكن طبعا لا يبقى ذلك مبررا لاضطهادهم فهم في الغالب قد ظلموا.
08-02-2010, 03:10 PM
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