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الرد على: إلى من يكفر بالذات الإلهية !!
يبدو أنك يا عزيزي مبهور بالاعجاز الخلبي للقرآن والذي عندما كنت مسلما لم أكن انبهر بهذا الاعجاز المزعوم لمعرفتي حينها أن الاصل في الايمان هو موافقة العقل والبعض عن التناقضات والقرآن بحكم ايماني به فايماني حينها كان لا يحتاج لبهارات من مثل الاعجاز المزعوم في القرآن والذي هو غير موجود سوى في عثلك أو عقول من يحبون البهارات ولفلفل .
فأما اعداء الإسلام فلو اصبحوا مسلمين لكانت الحجة الجاهزة وهي أن الأمر منسوخ أو الآية منسوخة او أن لله حكمة في الأمر.
أما التشريح فمعروف منذ خمسة آلاف عام ومحمد لم يأتي بجديد لا من ناحية الماء الدافق ولا من ناحية النطفة ولا من غيره فالاعجاز يفترض أن محمدا قد أتى بشيء غير معروف والتاريخ يكذب هذا الادعاء فمحمد لم يأتي بأي شيء لم يكن يعرفه أحد بل كل ما هو مكتوب في القرآن معروف من الاقدمين وبذلك يسقط ادعاء الاعجاز وأصلا هذه الحجة معيبة لأنك تسلم بأن الاشياء التي اتى بها محمد لم تكن معروفة وهذا من الذي تم نفيه بكل بساطة .
اما التنبوء فمحمد لم يكن أول المتنبئين بالاشياء والتنبوء لا علاقة له بالنبوة بل ببعد النظر والتحليل الجيد ولذلك تنبوءه بانتصار الروم امر عادي وليس من الخوارق
أما الكلام عن الناصية فهو تكلف واضح ومحاولة قسرية لتفسير شيء علمي والصاقة بالقرآن ومن ثم فعليك أن تثبت أولا أن المقصود هنا هو كما فسرته أنت وليس شيئا آخر وليس المعنى كما فسرته .
ومن ثم فالتفسير شيء والقرآن شيء ولا يوجد ما يسمى بالاعجاز في القرآن بل هي محاولات تفسيرية تم اضفاء صفة الاعجاز والكلام الذي يشبه الخبيصة في طعمته .
واجيبك بصدق بأنه لا يوجد في القرآن ما تحاول أن توحي به وتفسيرك وتفسير غيرك لا قيمة له ولا حجة له على أحد
والتفسير ليس قرآنا وليس كلاما من الله وبذلك تسقط حجية اعجازك المزعوم ولذلك إن كان لديك طريقة اكثر قوة ومتانة واقناعا من الاعجاز الخلبي فتعلمها ودافع بها عن دينك لأن هذه الطريقة قد انقرضت بحكم أن كل صاحب كتاب اصبح يقول عن كتابه أنه يحوي معجزات علمية والشيء الذي لا تنتبه له لا أنت ولا غيرك أنه بمنطقك هذا يتحول كل كتاب إلى معجز علميا لو أخذنا من كل كتاب عدة كلمات توافق العلم الحديث وهذا ما ينقض حجة الاعجاز العلمي والامر لا علاقة له بالتجرد بل بالتفكير المنطقي البعيد عن الحكمة الإلهية والعلم الإلهي المزعوم .
وما تقوله عن التوسيع في ( لموسعون ) فعليك أولا أن تثبت أن معنى موسعون هنا تعني حقا ما يقوله العلم وللأسف أنت لا تملك سوى هذه الكلمة والتي فسرها الذين من قبلك بغير تفسيرك فما دامت الكلمة تحمل عدة تفسيرات فهي لا تشكل قيمة فعلية ولا يحتج بها .
ونحن نبحث عن الحقيقة منذ أن وعينا على الدنيا ولا نحتاج لتزكية من أحد أو اتهام من آخر لانكار شيء نحن نقوم به كغيرنا .
وأما تحول المئات للإسلام فهناك المئات يتركون الإسلام والألوف ممن يتنصرون .
فلا حجة ولا قيمة ولا معنى لأي تفوق في العدد لدين على دين لاثبات صحته أو نقضه فالقصة ليست بالعدد بل بالتوافق مع العقل لا أقل ولا أكثر .
نصيحة مني :
اطروحاتك قديمة ومكررة واصبح المسلمون الآن يحاولون أن يستخدموا غيرها لأنها لم تعد تجدي نفعا في الحوار فتعلم غيرها فقد تنفعك اكثر .
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