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RE: الرد على: حتى تقيموا التوراة و الأنجيل
اقتباس:و حتى عندما قلت لك ان "اللوحين" يجب ان يوضعا في التابوت و التوراة" الوصايا و الشرائع" بجانب التابوت , تعود لتقول لي ان اللوحين هما ايضا توراة و شرائع!

هذا كلام سفر الخروج و ليس كلامي:
Now the LORD said to Moses, "Come up to Me on the mountain and remain there, and I will give you the stone tablets with the law( and the commandment which I have written for their instruction."
و وضعت لك المقابل العبري و الذي يقول بان اللوحين فيها the law : التوراة תורה .

اقتباس:لقد اصطلح اليهود( اهل التوراة) و المسيحين و كل ذلك قبل محمد بمئات السنين على تسمية كتب موسى الخمسة بالخصوص توراة لانها تحوي الشرائع و الوصايا, و بالعموم كل العهد القديم ايضا اسموه توراة.

لقد أجبتك على هذه النقطة أكثر من مرة. اي نص يتحدث عن أكمال موسى لكتابة التوراة لا يمكن أن يكون من التوراة , و هذا يشمل التثنية .
أما اصطلاح اليهود و النصارى فهو لا يغير من حقيقة أن الخروج و التثنية ليسا التوراة لانهما يحكيان عن كتابة و اكمال موسى لكتابة التوراة ,و امره بوضعها بجانب التابوت ( حسب الكتاب الذي كتبه بنو اسرائيل أنفسهم).

لا يمكن للخروج و التثنية أن يحكيان عن كتاب بانه كتب أو اكملت كتابته و هما جزء منه.

(10-14-2010, 03:16 PM)لكي تجثو باسم يسوع كل ركبة كتب:  يا عزيزي الصفي أنت تعرف جيدا أن كلام القران مأخوذ من التوراة بعد البتر.

لا , لا أعرف لانه غير صحيح. فالتوراة غير موجودة اصلا , ثم أن العهد القديم الذي ورد فيه سفر العدد لم يكن مترجما الى العربية في القرن السابع الميلادي و حتى لو كان مترجما فان النبي (ص) كان أميا لا يقرأ .

اقتباس:و لك أن ترجع الى سفر اللاويين و التثنية لتاخذ الكلام كاملا عن الحيوانات الطاهرة و الحيوانات النجسة( المحرمة):
Deut 14:7 إِلاَّ هذِهِ فَلاَ تَأْكُلُوهَا، مِمَّا يَجْتَرُّ وَمِمَّا يَشُقُّ الظِّلْفَ الْمُنْقَسِمَ: الْجَمَلُ وَالأَرْنَبُ وَالْوَبْرُ، لأَنَّهَا تَجْتَرُّ لكِنَّهَا لاَ تَشُقُّ ظِلْفًا، فَهِيَ نَجِسَةٌ لَكُمْ. ........
أعيد لك كلامي الذي قلته لك سابقا بأن القران يعتبر هذه الاسفار كتابة اليهود التي زعموا انها من الله. و قال لهم ان كل الطعام كان حلا لبني اسرائيل. و لكن لبغيهم فقد حرم عليهم ما ذكر( ذَلِكَ جَزَيْنَاهُمْ بِبَغْيِهِمْ وَإِنَّا لَصَادِقُونَ).


اقتباس:و السؤال :أين وردت كلمات التحريم التي اقتبسها كاتب القران: وَعَلَى الَّذِينَ هَادُوا حَرَّمْنَا كُلَّ ذِي ظُفُرٍ وَمِنَ الْبَقَرِ وَالْغَنَمِ حَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ شُحُومَهُمَا؟

ورد هذا فيما أوحاه الله تعالى لموسى عليه السلام و كتبه له في الواح التوراة:
وَكَتَبْنَا لَهُ فِي الأَلْوَاحِ مِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ مَّوْعِظَةً وَتَفْصِيلاً لِّكُلِّ شَيْءٍ فَخُذْهَا بِقُوَّةٍ وَأْمُرْ قَوْمَكَ يَأْخُذُواْ بِأَحْسَنِهَا سَأُرِيكُمْ دَارَ الْفَاسِقِينَ ( الاعراف: 145)

و الفرق واضح بين النص الكتابي و النص القراني.






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