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المشكلة الأخلاقية والإلحاد
هاله غير متصل
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RE: المشكلة الأخلاقية والإلحاد
زميلنا حسن سلمان

النقطة الأهم التي أريدك أن تعرفها هي أن بعض الملحدين -جماعتي على الأقل- يرون أن الأخلاق كما وردت في الأديان الابراهيمية ليست انسانية و لا عقلانية بما يكفي. يعني لا نرفض الأخلاق بل نسعى الى مفاهيم اخلاقية متقدمة عنها و لسنا "بلا أخلاق" كما يعتقد عباد الله المبشرين بالجنة و الذين يعتقدون أن لا أخلاق الا أخلاقهم و "الباقي خس".

ثانيا:
كيف يكون آدم نبي و هو الذي عصى الله من أول ما خرج من البيضة و افترس التفاحة؟؟

ثالثا:
هناك دراسات عديدة تثبت وجود الأخلاق عند الحيوانات منها:

http://www.alsabaah.com/paper.php?source=akbar&mlf=interpage&sid=62373

و

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3116678.stm

و ممكن أن آتيك بالمزيد لاحقا و حسب تساهيل الوقت.

رابعا:

الشعوب التي لم تعرف الأديان هل من الممكن أن تكون شعوب بلا أخلاق؟ مع العلم أن الاجتماع الانساني هو الذي أدى الى تطور الأخلاق بغرض التوافق و تجنب الألم و لتحقيق صالح الجماعة.

خامسا:

ان لم يكن هناك مبادئ اساسية للأخلاق في الأديان فكيف تربط بين ظهور الأديان و الأخلاق؟
أما قولك في نفس السطر أنني لا يمكنني أن أثبت أن الرق غير اخلاقي من منطلق الحادي فليس صحيحا. حيث ان الحادي يرفض رفضا قاطعا استرقاق و استعباد و استغلال الانسان للانسان حتى على صعيد الأسرة و تخيير المرأة بين طاعة الزوج أو عذاب النار.

و لن أرد نقطة بنقطة على ما دافعت به عن الاسلام و لكن لو كان للأديان دور فاعل و فعال حقا في ارساء دعائم أخلاق ايجابية و صالحة لما كان هذا حال العالم المتدين من أي من الديانات الثلاث بما فيه رجال الدين الكبار من مسيحيين و مسلمين.

آخر حاجة
سأبحث عن دراسات قرأتها من قبل أثبتت الأصل البيولوجي للأخلاق و وجود مراكز في المخ لبعض السلوكيات الأخلاقية مثل الايثار. مما يعني أن هناك استعدادات و wiring مسبق للأخلاق (و مثله للغة) قام الاجتماع الانساني بتنشيطها و تفعيلها و البناء عليها عبر مراحل الاجتماع البشري.


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