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الأخلاق متغيرة بالزمان و المكان فما كان غير اخلاقي الأمس اصبح اخلاقي اليوم و العكس صحيح

الأخلاق نسبية تختلف باختلاف الشعوب فما هو غير اخلاقي عندنا قد يكون اخلاقي عند غيرنا

سيقول المؤمنون أن الدين هو المرجع لما هو اخلاقي أو غير اخلاقي و لكن الحقيقة أن الدين نفسه متغير و نسبي و لا يمكن الارتكان عليه، فهو يحرم شيء اليوم و يحلله غدا، كمثال هل كان اكل لحم الخنزير محرما منذ بدء الخليقة؟ هل كان زواج الأخوة محرما منذ بدء الخليقة؟ في سورة المائدة مثلا تم تحريم بعض انواع الطعام و تحليل الباقي و بالطبع من يخالف التعليمات "الجديدة" فقد خالف تعليمات و اخلاق الدين، في نفس السورة اصبح الطعام و التزاوج من أهل الكتاب محللا و معنى ذلك أنه كان محرما من قبل، ايضا تم تحليل عدد من انواع زيجات الرسول و في الآية التالية لها تم تحريم زواجه بأي امرأة اخرى و احل له الطلاق فقط مع أن اصل الزواج حلال، ارامل الرسول تم تحريم زواجهم من بعد موته على الرغم من أن الزواج حلال و أنه لن يضر الرسول في قبره أن تتزوج ارملته و لن يضر ذلك الله كذلك، مع العلم بأنه تزوج من بعد وفاة ارملته خديجة فلماذا حلال له حرام على غيره؟

هكذا يثبت الدين نفسه و هو المرجع بأنه في الحقيقة ليس بمرجع، و كما تم تكذيب كل رسول و كما ادعى كل منهم بأنه الصحيح و الأخير أتى و سيأتي من بعدهم رسل كل يدعي الحق و كل يأتي بأخلاق و تعاليم جديدة فأين هي مرجعية الأخلاق الا الحاجة إليها لتنظيم المجتمع بأفضل صورة؟
الأخلاق اختراع بشري 100% تطور كتطور اللغة و تغير كتغير اللغة، هناك ثوابت اخلاقية لا يختلف عليها اثنان مثل القتل و السرقة و هناك متغيرات اخلاقية مثل العادات و التقاليد.

سؤال أخير للأخ حسن سلمان
اذا كانت اخلاقيات الله في الأديان أنه يسب و يلعن و يمسخ و يهدد و يرعب من لا يتبع رسله فهل نعتمد هذه الأخلاقيات الإلهية في تعاملنا اليومي مع من هم مختلفين عنا في الدين؟
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