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RE: الرد على: لـماذا ؟ لا يـتجه العـالم نـحو ƸӜƷ النـباتية ƸӜƷ
(11-12-2011, 02:10 AM)الحوت الأبيض كتب:  يا أتماكا ما تعريفك للشعور، الشعور يحتم وجود وعي، وجود إفرازات لا يعني وجود وعي، يعني لنفرض أنك كنت تحت تخدير (عام أو موضعي) وجرحك أحدهم فجسمك سيفرز بالمكان إفرازات معينة تساعد على التئام الجرح إلخ لكن هذا لا يعني أنك شعرت بذلك.... على حد علمي ليس للنباتات جهاز عصبي "لتشعر" بالألم ولا شك أن ليس لديها دماغ ليكون لديها وعي.

والله يا حوت انا تخصصى فى الحاسب الالى وليس فى علم النباتات ..
لكن الذى اعرفه ان للنباتات جهاز عصبى ودماغ بصورة ما وتشعر بالالم وتتفاعل مع محيطها وما شابه .. وكل هذا بطريقة ميكانيكية غريزية .. والافراز كما قال العلماء دليل على وجود الالم وذلك لعدم وجود دليل على وجود تخدير ! يعنى مثلا فى بعض القشريات يقومون بكهربتها بفولت معين ضعيف فيحصل رد فعل من الكائن واعتقد ان اى رد فعل يدل على وجود شعور وبالتالى الم ان زاد الضغط الكهربائى مثلا يتسبب لاشك فى الم للكائن ..
اما مسألة الوعى فالذى اعرفه ان الكائن الوحيد الذى يعرف بان له وجود هو الانسان وايضا القرود مثل البونوبو وامثاله .. لكن باقى الكائنات ليس لها قدرة على معرفة انها موجودة بل انها تمارس حياتها بطريقة ميكانيكية ان صح التعبير .

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