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الرد على: مندوب الروسي لحمد بن جاسم:إذا تكلمت معي مجدداً بهذه النبرة لن يكون هناك شيء إسمه قطر
"التاريخ المشترك و الامل بمستقبل افضل لكليهما يصنعانه سوية"
"يأخذ له مكانا في بين المفاهيم الاجتماعية و السياسية"
"قائم على عقد اجتماعي بين الفرد و المجتمع"
"يتمتع الفرد بالمساواة""يتمتع ايضا بحمايتهم السياسية و الاجتماعية و الامنية"
"عليه واجبات تجاه هذا المجتمع الذي يحميه"
"معنى المواطنة"
"اي علاقة قائمة على التساوي التام بين افراد المجتمع (في الجنس و اللون و الدين و العرق) هي علاقة صحيحة و من هنا جاءت عظمة الامة الامريكية"

نبتدئ منين الحكاية على رأي عبد الحليم

ما تقدم أعلاه هي مفاهيم سياسية تتشكل وفق أفكار وقواعد يؤمن بها مجتمع ما ليبني دولته على أساسها، وأنت هنا لم تخالف رأيي قيد أنملة، اللهم إلا التحسس القديم من الإسلام كدين ونظام حياة وممن يدعو إليهما.

مضمون كلامك يعني أن الشيء المسمى وطنا ليس هو السبب الذي يجمع الناس ليشكلوا دولة ومن قبلها مجتمعا، بل هي الأفكار السياسبة التي تشيع في الرأي العام لمجتمع ما لتشكل وعيا عاما(بفعل فاعل)، يتم بناء المجتمع عليها.

أضيف من طرفي أن هذه الأفكار لا يعني نجاحها في مجتمع ما أنها ستنجح في غيره بالضرورة، لأن المتغير البشري متغير اجتماعي وليس متغيرا صناعيا، ما تقبله مجموعة من البشر في أمة ما ليس بالضرورة أن تقبله غيرها في أمة أخرى; ذلك عزيزي يرجع إلى طبيعة الأفكار التي تخص العلاقة بين الإنسان والحياة بشكل عام، والسياسيّ منها بشكل خاص.

هذه الأفكار ينبغي أن يكون لها أصل في الأمة* متفق عليه يكون إطارا، أو جذرا تشتق المعالجات السياسية بحسبه، سواء منها ما كان أصوليا كفكرة المواطنة واطبيعة العلاقة بين الأفراد والدولة، وشكل الدولة وعلاقتها بغيرها من الدول، أو فروعيا كالمعالجات السياسية المرتبطة بقضية بعينها

في الدول القائمة في الحضارة الغربية بشكل عام، والولايات المتحدة بشكل خاص، تمّ بناء مفهوم المواطنة على وجهة نظرهم عن الحياة، ولم يبن بناء على إقامتهم في رقعة جغرافية ما... وجهة النظر هذه لمّا تنبت في الدول القائمة في منطقتنا، وليس لها أصل في الأمة الموجودة، وجهة النظر هذه محصورة في مجموعة ممن آمن بها فحسب.

هلمّ فاعملوا في الأمة لنرى هل ستنجحون فيما فشل فيه من سبقكم من الاشتراكيين العرب، فإن نجحتم فمبارك لكم، وإلا فافسحوا المجال ولا أراكم تصنعون، لغيركم ممن قد ينجح حيث فشلتم.

حتى الساعة لا أرى إلا استحضارا للخصم السلفي، ومحاولة صلب الإسلام كله عليه، وهذا فوق أنه برأيي عبث لا طائل تحته، فهو أيضا يستجلب عليكم عداوة شخصية غير ضرورية، لا تنفعكم ولا تنفعنا، بل أراها تضر بكلّ العاملين في هذا الشأن مهما تباينت أصولهم الفكرية

ملحوظة:
في استعمالك عبارة "الحضارة الحديثة" مغالطة فكرية، لأن الحضارة لا تنسب للزمن بل لوجهة النظر عن الحياة، وتجد في الزمن الواحدة مجموعة حضارات متباينة ومتنافسة بل متصارعة، وتجد على مرّ الزمان حضارة واحدة بالكاد تتغير إلا بقدر التغير المدني العام الغير متعلق بالإنسان بالضرورة.

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