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RE: الرد على: محاولة لاثبات وجود خالق
(03-31-2012, 11:21 PM)طريف سردست كتب:  سيدي الكريم
الاعتقاد بوجوده، ليس برهان وليس بديل عن البرهان. نحن لانحتاج للبرهان من اجل ان نعتقد،
وانما يمكن القول اننا نحتاج للبرهان على الرغم من اننا نعتقد.

أتفق معك يا أستاذى الفاضل
ولذلك أنا ذكرت إنى أعتقد
ولم أقل إنى متأكد ولم اسع لفرض هذا على أحد
فهو مجرد personal belief

كما إنى على يقين تام بعدم حجية الإعتقاد فى اى نقاش
لإن الإعتقاد شئ والبرهان والدليل شئ آخر

ولكن ها هو مجرد إعتقاد

فأنا اريد أن أخفف العبئ على من سيحاول أن يثبت لنا ما نتحاور حوله
1- وجود إله وخالق
2- ان محمد رسول من عنده

ونحن فى الإنتظار

(03-31-2012, 11:21 PM)طريف سردست كتب:  إذا كان بإمكانك الاكتفاء بالاعتقاد في قضية تفتقد البرهان، فلماذا تطالب بالبرهان في قضية اخرى؟

لإن كلتا القضيتين مختلفتان عن بعض
فوجود إله أو خالق أو قوة خلقت هذا الكون لا يستدعى بالضرورة وجود إتصال بيننا وبينه
أيا كانت طرق الإتصال :- ( رسول - وحى )


(03-31-2012, 11:21 PM)طريف سردست كتب:  ماهو الذي يحدد اين نكتفي بالاعتقاد بدون برهان واين نطلب البرهان ونرفض الاكتفاء بالاعتقاد؟

عزيزى / طريف
أولا :- أنا أتحدث من خلال وجهة نظرى الشخصية
ثانيا :- ذكرت أنه مجرد إعتقاد شخصى

فأنا لست ملحدا ولكنى لا دينى



(03-31-2012, 11:21 PM)طريف سردست كتب:  اعلم ان هذه الاسئلة لاتشكل القضية الرئيسية الان، ورجاء ان تعتبرها مجرد خواطر لاتستحق الرد،
وفقط اشير اليها لتوضيح مسألة مبدئية للحدود بين الاعتقاد وبين المعرفة،

لا تقل هذا يا زميل / طريف
ما من كلمة تتفضل حضرتك وتخطها هنا إلا وتستحق الرد والإحترام والتقدير
وأنا شخصيا أستمتع كثيرا حينما أتناقش لأتعلم سواء من حضرتك أو من أى عضو آخر

(03-31-2012, 11:21 PM)طريف سردست كتب:  وان المطالبة بالبرهان ليس بالضرورة صادرة لفقدان الاعتقاد
وانما يمكن ويجب ان تحدث على الرغم من وجود الاعتقاد.

أتفق معك وبشدة


(03-31-2012, 11:21 PM)طريف سردست كتب:  خالص ودي

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