هرتزل متحدثا
I said that our point of departure had been solely the distress of the Jews and that we desired to avoid the religious issues.

البابا بيوس العاشر متحدثا
"Yes, but we, and I as the head of the Church, cannot do this. There are two possibilities. Either the Jews will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them.

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البابا
The Jewish religion was the foundation of our own; but it was superseded by the teachings of Christ, and we cannot concede it any further validity. The Jews, who ought to have been the first to acknowledge Jesus Christ, have not done so to this day."

يقول هرتزل
Terror and persecution may not have been the right means for enlightening the Jews

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