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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
الاخ الكريم الذي سيجيبنا اجابة تستيقن بها نفسنا
عذرا اخي الكريم
كلامك لا يقنع العجائز فضلا عن ان تستيقن منه
وعلى كلامك اما ان يكون عكرمة صادقا وام سلمة كاذبة
او يكون زيد بن الارقم كاذبا وعكرمة صادقا
او ان يكون عكرمة اصدق من النبي نفسه والعياذ بالله

اما لغويا
كل ما ذكرته داخل في الرجس لا العكس لان الرجسن المذكور هو مطلق الذنوب والآثام والأدناس
ولا وجود للموعظة التي( نتعتها ) لان الاية تدل على الارادة الالهية في اهل البيت ب انما يريد (الله يريد ) وانما اداة حصر وتخصيص
فكيف جنابك شملت كل النساء على الاطلاق
فمن نساء النبي من لم تقر في بيتها ومنهن من تبرجت للحرب
وخرجت على امام زمانها
هناك نكتة في الاية لم تدركها جنابك ايضا
لماذا ذكر الله سبحانه وتعالى الجاهلية الاولى ؟

في كلام المولى اذا لم يكن هناك جاهلية ثانية وانقلاب على الاعقاب بعد الاسلام يصبح من العبث في الكلام الالهي ان يقول الجاهلية الاولى اذا لم يكن هناك ثانية
فتدبر يرحمك ربي
اذ من العيب ان نطالبك بالدليل لان كلامك لا يستقيم
وان لم اورد الدليل الروائي والتاريخي في كلامي لانه مشهور ولا داع للتكرار وانت الى الان لم تاتنا بحديث يؤيد نظريتك
فراجع على الاقل ترجمة عكرمة ومن ذكرت لك حتى لا تصحح سيرة الدجالين والكذابين ويضل بك السبيل


إن افتراضك حصول الموعظة بالاتباع لاوامر محددة والانتهاء عن نواهي كوصايا معينة من قبل اهل البيت ليتم لهم اذهاب الرجس عنهم وتطهيرهم منه
يعني انك ربطت بين المواعظ التي وردت من الله عزوجل في الايات الموجهة قبل وبعد اية التطهير والتي تحث على وصايا تخص نساء النبي (ص) فقط ..ولا دخل لاهل البيت الباقين بها

أنت إمام أمرين لا ثالث لهما
فإما أن تجعل مفهوم اهل البيت مقتصرا على نساء النبي (ص) وهذا ما ينفيه سياق الاية والروايات المستفيضة من السنة والشيعة والتي تؤكد اختصاص النبي لاهل بيته المعروفين بأهل الكساء
أو أن تجعلها عامة ليدخل تحت لوائها اهل بيت النبي (ص) بالاضافة لنساءه وهو ما ينفيه مدلول الاية كما ينفيه كل الروايات المستفيضة التي لم تذكر ادعاء نساءه (ص) باختصاصهم بها او دخولهم تحتها

مشكلة عويصة التي وضعت نفسك بها :(

في حين نرى بعض الادلة ايضا ما يصرح باستبعاد النبي لاحدى زوجاته وهي ام المؤمنين ام سلمه رضي الله عنها عندما طلبت منه شمولها بذلك مما يعطي اشارة الى مدلولها الخطير وخصوصيتها باناس معينين من دون اقربائه الباقين او زوجاته المقربين

كما اننا لو سلمنا جدلا بنظريتك بادخال نساءه في هذه الاية
فانك سوف تصطدم بمسالة ربط مدلولها الذي اردته من حيث تحقق نتيجة اذهاب الرجس والتطهير باتباع الوصايا المذكورة في الآيات التي قبلها وهي كما هو معلوم خاصة بنساء النبي
..فهي ان توافقت مع مفهوم اهل البيت كنساء النبي (ص) فانها ولاشك سوف تمتنع عن التوافق مع الباقي من اهل بيته الاخرين حيث انهم لايدخلون في صيغة الخطاب الذي ورد كوصايا في اياته المخاطبة لنساء النبي

شايف ما أتعس حظك
هيدي مشكلة ثالثة
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03-03-2006, 01:44 PM
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