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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
على نور الله غير متصل
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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
اخى الفاضل الحسن الهاشمى المختار :
اولا:
تفضلت بالقول :
........
أخي على نو الله.
في مداخلة سابقة استشهدت بحديث (سلمان منا آل البيت) والآن تقصر الآل فقط على قرابة النسب !!
أليس من يتول قوما فهو منهم؟
فمن يتول رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فهو منه ، وبناء على هذا سلمان من آل البيت (انتماء روحي عقدي) وكذلك أبو بكر وعمر وعثمان وغيرهم رضي الله عنهم.
.........

الجواب:
لا ادرى يا اخى الفاضل لماذا التعميم فى مواطن التخصيص .
يعنى
الرسول الاعظم قال :سلمان منا ال البيت .
فعلى اى اساس و باى منطق شملت كل الصحابة بهذا التخصيص .
الم يستطع الرسول الاعظم ان يقول :
الصحابة منا ال البيت .
اوافقك بان من يتولى قوما فهو منهم و لكنه ليس احدهم .
اذكر لى مرة واحدة خاطب الرسول الاعظم اصحابه قائلا لهم :
يا اهل البيت او يا ال البيت و لو حتى رواية ضعيفة ساقبل بها .
الرسول الاعظم سماهم صحابة
فعلى اى اساس تتفضل و تسميهم ال البيت ؟؟؟

ثم ان الرسول الاعظم يقول :
(أيها الناس، إني تارك فيكم أمرين، لن تضلوا إن اتبعتموهما، وهما كتاب الله، وأهل بيتي عترتي).
المستدرك على الصحيحين،الإصدار 2.02 - للإمام محمد بن عبد الله الحاكم النيسابوري.
المجلد الثالث >> -31- كتاب معرفة الصحابة رضي الله تعالى عنهم >> ومن مناقب أمير المؤمنين: علي بن أبي طالب -رضي الله تعالى عنه- مما لم يخرجاه


الرسول الاعظم هنا يخاطب الصحابة و يامرهم باتباع اهل البيت
فهل يامر الصحابة باتباع انفسهم للنجاة من الضلالة ؟؟؟

و لو انك تتبعت كل مصنفات العلماء المسلمين ستجدهم يفردون عناوين لفضائل اهل البيت و يذكرون الخمسة اصحاب الكساء على و فاطمة و الحسنين عليهم السلام و لا يذكرون فى ذلك الازواج او الصحابة
و تحت عنوان :ازواج النبى تجد فضائل ازواجه
فان كان العلماء يعتبرونهن من اهل البيت
فلماذا لم يموا فضائلهن لفضائل اهل البيت ؟؟؟؟؟



ثانيا:
تفضلت بالقول :
.........
وأما جدي المختار وآل صباح وآل سعود، هؤلاء ليسوا أئمة للناس آتاهم الله ما آتى إبراهيم وبالتالي ليس لهم أتباع يتبعون هداهم.
فالآل في هؤلاء يطلق فقط لقرابة الدم.
ودعك من المعاجم فهي ليست مرجعا لكتاب الله وإنما كتاب الله هو المرجع للمعاجم.
والانتماء الروحي أهم من الانتماء العرقي ، فإذا لم يتبع اليهود ملة إبراهيم فهم ليسوا من آله حتى ولو كانوا من نسله.
.........
الجواب:
يا اخى بصراحة حيرتنى
عندما قلت لك و كذلك اخى الغالى رحمة العاملى
ان المسالة ليست مسالة مشابهة لحالات الناس العامة و ان تعريف اهل البيت النبوى ليس كتعريف اهل البيت السكنى
و ان المسالة لا تخضع لمفهوم عامة الناس و لذلك علينا الرجوع للنصوص
فابيت حضرتك الا التمثيل باقوال عصرية و لهجات عامية لمعنى اهل البيت و معنى الال و تفسير الاية .
و الان عندما حاججتك بالمعجم الذى يحكم بيننا فى اللغة فانك تقول دعنا من المعاجم .

اهل البيت حددهم الرسول الاعظم بالاسم و عزلهم عن جميع الناس و جللهم بغطاء كى يفصلهم عن كل الناس كى لا يدعى احد الحاضرين انه منهم لوجوده معهم .
يعنى فصلهم عن الناس ببيت منفصل
ثم فصلهم فى غطاء او كساء
و قال :هؤلاء اهل بيتى
هل يوجد توضيح من الرسول الاعظم اكبر من هذا التوضيح ؟؟؟؟
و الله لا ادرى كيف يمكن ان يفسر الرسول و يخصص اكثر من ذلك ؟؟؟؟
و بالرغم من ذلك يماطل البعض و يضم اليهم غيرهم فسبحان الله .

ثالثا:
تفضلت بالقول :
..........
أما عن (البيت) فهو له معنيان :
1) السكن.
2) الأسرة.
وحيث أن الأسرة تتكون من الزوج والزوجة والأولاد فإن الأسرة تبقى أسرة واحدة مادام هناك زوج واحد حتى لو وصل عدد زوجاته إلى أربع وحتى لو كان لكل زوجة مسكنها الخاص بها ، فهل المتزوج من أربع نساء يستخرج أربعة دفاتر للحالةالمدنية لتسجيل المواليد أم هو دفتر واحد؟
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الجواب:
يا سيدى انت ترفض المعاجم كحجة ثم تستند فى حجتك الى دفاتر الحالة المدنية ؟؟؟؟؟

طيب سؤال شرعى يا عزيزى
زوجتان لرجل واحد
لو ماتت احداهما
و ليس اى وريث شرعى غير امراة زوجها
هل ترثها الاخرى ؟؟؟؟
ان قلت لى :لا
فاقول لك :
اليس افراد الاسرة الواحدة يرثون بعضهم البعض ؟؟؟؟؟

رابعا:

تفضلت بالقول :
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الامام على عليه السلام أقرب الناس نسبا إلى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، فهو ابن عمه وزوج ابنته، فإن صح حديث الكساء فذلك يعني أن عليا أقرب الناس إلى بيت النبي بالنسبة لغيره من المؤمنين،
أما إذا قورنت قرابته بالنبي بقرابة أمهات المؤمنين من النبي فإنهن أقرب إلي النبي عليه السلام من علي.
مثلا :
التقيت بك يا على نور الله وكان معي ابن أخي وزوجه( ابنتي) وولديهما، فلما سألتني عمن يكون هؤلاء الذي كانوا معي، أجبتك : إنهم أهلي أو إنهم من العائلة: فلان الذي تعرفه وجماعته(ابنتي) وولديهما.
هل تفهم من كلامي أن صهري هذا هو أهل بيتي وأن زوجتي ليست من أهلي؟
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الجواب:
1. انت قلت هذا الكلام فى معرض اجابتك على سؤالى :
الامام على عليه السلام ليس محرم لازواج الرسول الاعظم
فكيف يجتمع معهن فى اسرة واحدة ؟؟؟؟؟؟
و انا لا ارى اجابة على سؤالى بل التفاف عليها
2. علاقة القرب و البعد يحددها التعامل الشخصى فى حالة الانسان العادى
و فى حالة المؤمن الاعظم الرسول الاعظم فالايمان و التقوى هو ما يحدد درجة القرب منه و ليس رابطة الدم او عقد الزواج .
3. ابن العم اقرب من الزوجة للرجل
لان الزوج تنتهى العلاقة بها بالطلاق
بينما ابن العم هو قريبك شئت ام ابيت
فاذا ضممنا الى الامام على عليه السلام انه تربى فى بيت النبى
و ضممنا اليه اسبقيته الى الاسلام من كل الازواج
و ضممنا الى ذلك مؤاخاة الرسول الاعظم له
و ضممنا الى ذلك امامته
و ضممنا الى ذلك اعلان الرسول واجب ولاء كل مسلم و مسلمة بمن فيهن الازواج للامام على عليه السلام
تبين من ذلك ان الامام على عليه السلام اقرب للرسول الاعظم .
و على فكرة :
سارة عليها السلام التى خاطبها القران باهل البيت
كانت ابنة عم ابراهيم عليه السلام و اول من امن به .
طيب و يتبادر الى الذهن سؤال اخر
اذا استعملنا نفس منطقك :
من الاقرب للرسول الاعظم :
ازواجه ام ابنته الزهراء و حفيداه الحسنين سلام الله عليهم ؟؟؟



خامسا:
تفضلت بالقول :
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ال آل إذا أضيفت لنبي من الأنبياء فهي تعني الصالحين :
قال تعالى : اعملوا آل داوود شكرا.
وقال :إن الله اصطفى آدم ونوح وآل إبراهيم وآل عمران على العالمين.
وقال تعالى : أَمْ يَحْسُدُونَ النَّاسَ عَلَى مَا آتَاهُمُ اللَّهُ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ فَقَدْ آتَيْنَا آلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَآتَيْنَاهُمْ مُلْكًا عَظِيمًا.

فهل يؤتي الله الكتاب والحكمة للمحسنين أم للمسيئين؟
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الجواب:
لماذا اقتصرت من الايات فى سؤالك على :
الكتاب و الحكمة ؟؟؟؟
القران يكملها و يقول :
و اتيناهم ملكا عظيما
و الاجدر ان تسال :
فهل يؤتى الله الكتاب و الحكمة و الملك للمحسنين ام للمسيئين ؟؟
فنقول :
للمحسنين طبعا
و لكن من هم هؤلاء الذين اتاهم الله الكتاب و الحكمة و ملكا عظيما ؟؟؟؟
هل هم كل الصالحين من اتباع ايراهيم عليه السلام ؟؟؟؟

بالطبع لا
الكتاب و الحكمة و الملك اتاه الله لذرية ابراهيم عليه السلام .
تعال معى من فضلك :
قال تعالى :

إن الله [COLOR=Red]اصطفى.

فما معنى الال هنا ؟؟؟

تفضل الى القران الذى يوضح لنا من هم :

ووصى بها إبراهيم بنيه ويعقوب [COLOR=Red]يا بني إن الله اصطفى

فان تاملت ما لونته لك بالاحمر تعلم ان ال ابراهيم الذين اصطفاهم الله بتصريح ابراهيم كما اخبرنا تعالى هم ابناؤه .

و لو تاملت الايات لوجدت ان الله اصطفى ادم و نوح
و ليس ال ادم و لا ال نوح
فهل نفهم من ذلك ان اتباع النبى ادم ليسوا من الصالحين ؟؟؟
و هل اتباع نوح ليسوا من الصالحين ؟؟؟؟
ان اخذنا بمفهومك لتعميم الال على الاتباع
فان ادم و نوح اتباعهم ليسوا صالحين

و لكن يتبين ان اصطفاء ال ابراهيم هو ان تكون النبوة فى بنيه
و اصطفاء ال عمران هو ظهور النبوة فى بنى عمران
و ليس فى اتباعه .

اللهم صل على محمد و ال محمد
لا فتى الا على و لا سيف الا ذو الفقار





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