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الاخوة الكرام المختار وجلال
لا فائدة من نقاش يبدأ ب انتم تقولون ونحن نقول ليلزم المحاور غيره بمقدمة يؤمن بها هو ولا يؤمن بها محاوره ليرد عليه الثاني بجواب يستند على مقدمة يؤمن بها هو أيضا ولا يؤمن بها محاوره.
هذا هو الجدال العقيم بعينه .
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إن شاء الله لن يكون حوارًا عقيمًا ولن أتشبث برأيي البتة بمجرد ظهور ما ينقضه.

بعض الزملاء هنا قد لا يعرفون الفارق بين عدم الإيمان بأحقية سيدنا علي بالخلافة من بعد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من الناحية التاريخية ومن الناحية العقائدية عند الشيعة. فمن الناحية العقائدية من لم يؤمن بإمامة سيدنا علي كرم الله وجهه فهو كافر مستحق لعذاب جهنم وإن كان من المؤمنين بالله ورسوله. بل وإن كفر بأحد الأئمة الاثنى عشر مات كافرًا. ومن ثم من حقي أن أطلب نصًّأ صريحًا من كتاب الله وسنة رسوله صلى الله عليه وسلم يعرفني ويأمرني بأن ذلك من أعمدة الدين التي لا يقوم الدين إلا بها. لذا أشعر أنه لن يكون حوارًا عقيمًا إن شاء الله.

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أو أن يدافع الاول عن رأيه بإيراد ما يقابله من نظير عند الآخر.
فكل هذه الأساليب لاتغني ولاتسمن من جوع.
بل فيها ضياع الوقت والجهد وتكريس الخصام والخلاف.
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لا. عندما يحتج الزميل على نور أو أحد من الزملاء الشيعة بما جاء عند أهل السنة والجماعة لابد أن أرد عليه من خلال ما جاء عند أهل السنة والجماعة. فإذا استشهد من المصادر الشيعية وجب عليَّ أن أرد من خلال المصادر الشيعية المعتمدة ولا أتطرق البتة إلى ما ورد عند أهل السنة والجماعة.

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العلمية تقتضي الدخول في نقاش حول نقطة يستفرغ فيها كل المجهود بكل الآراء من الفريقين سنة وشيعة لدراسة حججها التي تستند عليها لبيان الحجة في النهاية.
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سيتركز حواري في أغلبه مستخدمًا المصادر الشيعية المعتمدة بعد أن أعرض وجهة نظري من خلال ما جاء عند أهل السنة والجماعة لأن الزميل على نور استشهد بها فلا بد أن يكون الرد منها.
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