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مداخلتك التى لونت الاشارات للضعف بالاحمر
اغفلت ما جاء فيها مؤكدا على الصحة فى السند .
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هذه هي الأمانة في النقل وعدم التعصب. إلا أننا نخرج من هذا بأن الحديث محل خلاف وشك. وما تطرق إليه الخلاف والشك لا تبنى عليه عقيدة تؤدي بصاحبها إما إلى جنة أو إلى نار. لذا ما تطرق إليه الشك نطرحه جانبًا ونخرج بما اتفق عليه وهي عبارة "من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه" قالها النبي لرجل شكى سيدنا علي للرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم فأراد النبي أن يلفت نظر الرجل إلى أن سيدنا علي واحد من الذين آمنوا الذين يقيمون الصلاة ويؤتون الزكاة وهم راضون غير متكبرين ولا مرائين. وحقًا علينا أن نحب هؤلاء ونقدرهم. الرسول يحبب المسلمين فيما بينهم.


تقول تحت البند ثالثًا:
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كما انك لم تتطرق للروايت التى عرضتها عليك.
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بل شرحتها لك بالتفصيل وذكرت أن الحاكم لا يحتج به البتة في هذا الحديث وأوردت لك رأي علماء الحديث فيه. وهذا يغني عن النظر في أي حديث في هذا الشأن يأتي به الحاكم في مستدركه.

ذكرت تحت البند ثالثًا
أن الرواية صحيحة

ولكنك لم تلفت إلى أنها لم تحوي غير عبارة "من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه" والتي قالها الرسول لمن يشتكي سيدنا علي وهدَفَ الرسولُ إلى إصلاح ذات البين بين المسلمين.

وتسأل عن ميمون أبي عبدالله. فقد ضعفه جماعة. وتعال نقرأ:

5489 ميمون أبو عبد الله مولى عبد الرحمن بن سمرة القرشي يروى عن البراء وزيد بن أرقم روى عنه قتادة وخالد الحذاء كان يحيى القطان يسيىء الرأي فيه. (الثقات. ج5. ص 418)

3487 ميمون أبو عبد الله مولى عبد الرحمن بن سمرة عن زيد بن أرقم قال يحيى بن سعيد لا شيء. (الضعفاء والمتروكين لابن الجوزي. ج3. ص 152)

1895 ميمون أبو عبد الله مولى عبد الرحمن بن سمرة ثنا بن حماد حدثني صالح ثنا علي قال سألت يحيى بن سعيد عن ميمون بن أبي عبد الله الذي يروي عنه عوف عن زيد بن أرقم فمحض وجهه وقال زعم شعبة أنه كان فيه ميل سمعت بن حماد يقول قال البخاري ميمون أبو عبد الله مولى عبد الرحمن بن سمرة سمع زيد بن أرقم يروي عنه شعبة وخالد الحذاء وقتادة وعوف يعد في البصريين قال إسحاق عن علي كان يحيى لا يحدث عنه. (الكامل في ضعفاء الرجال. ج6. ص 413)

1761 ميمون أبو عبد الله مولى عبد الرحمن بن سمرة رضي الله عنه بصري حدثنا عبد الله بن أحمد قال سمعت أبي يقول قال شعبة ميمون أبو عبد الله فسل قلت لأبي من دون شعبة قال يحيى قال أبي وهو الذي حدث عنه عوف وفي موضع آخر قلت لأبي سمعته من يحيى فقال إن شاء الله حدثنا محمد بن عيسى قال حدثنا صالح قال حدثنا علي قال سألت يحيى عن ميمون أبي عبد الله الذي روى عنه عوف عن زيد بن أرقم فحمض وجهه وقال زعم شعبة أنه فسل حدثني آدم قال سمعت البخاري قال ميمون أبو عبد الله مولى عبد الرحمن بن سمرة بصري قال إسحاق عن علي كان يحيى لا يحدث عنه. (ضعفاء العقيلي. ج4. ص 185)

ميمون أبو عبد الله البصري سنان ويقال القرشي مولى عبد الرحمن بن سمرة روى عن البراء بن عازب س وزيد بن أرقم ت س ق وعبد الله بن بريدة س وعبد الله بن عباس روى عنه إسحاق بن عثمان الكلابي وخالد الحذاء ت س وشعبة بن الحجاج وابنه عبد الرحمن بن ميمون ق وعوف الأعرابي س وقتادة ت س وابنه محمد بن ميمون وهارون بن سعد قال علي بن المديني سألت يحيى بن سعيد عن ميمون أبي عبد الله الذي روى عنه عوف فحمض وجهه وقال زعم شعبة أنه كان فسلا وقال علي في موضع آخر كان يحيى لا يحدث عنه وقال أبو بكر الاهرم عن أحمد بن حنبل أحاديثه مناكير وقال إسحاق بن منصور عن يحيى بن معين لا شيء وقال أبو داود تكلم فيه وذكره بن حبان في كتاب الثقات وقال كان يحيى القطان سيء الرأي فيه. (تهذيب الكمال. ج29. ص 231)

تقول تحت خامسًا:
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الجواب:
نقول نعم هو بشير بن سلمان.
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أين دليلك ومرجعك؟؟؟!!!

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