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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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تحياتي القلبية

أولًا: ألفت النظر إلى أنك لم ترد على كل أطروحاتي السابقة وخاصة فيما يتعلق بمعنى "مولى" والآية التي استشهدتُ بها والتي تحوي هذه الكلمة.

ثانيًا: لم أقرأ ما كتبته أنت في الصفحة الخامسة. وجاري الاطلاع على ما كتبت أعلاه ثم ابداء الرأي دون تعصب إن شاء الله.


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باب في فضل أهل البيت رضي الله عنهم
عن زيد بن ثابت قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إني تارك فيكم خليفتين كتاب الله عز وجل حبل ممدود ما بين السماء والأرض أو ما بين السماء إلى الأرض وعترتي أهل بيتي وإنهما لن يفترقا حتى يردا على الحوض رواه أحمد وإسناده جيد. (مجمع الزوائد للحافظ الهيثمي. ج9. ص 163، 164)
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إذن فلنذهب لمسند الإمام أحمد ونقرأ:

21618 حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا الأسود بن عامر ثنا شريك عن الركين عن القاسم بن حسان عن زيد بن ثابت قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ثم انى تارك فيكم خليفتين كتاب الله حبل ممدود ما بين السماء والأرض أو ما بين السماء إلى الأرض وعترتي أهل بيتي وإنهما لن يتفرقا حتى يردا على الحوض. (مسند أحمد. ج5. ص 181)

فلننظر في راويين من رواة الحديث:

134 شريك بن عبدالله سيء الحفظ مضطرب الحديث مائل. (أحوال الرجال. ج1. ص 92 + من تكلم فيه. ج1. ص 99)

6805 4396 قاسم بن حسان: قال البخاري حديثه منكر ولا يعرف. (ميزان الاعتدال في نقد الرجال. ج5. ص 448)

النتيجة: لا يمكن الاحتجاج بالحديث لتطرق الشك إلى راويين من رواته.

وأزيدك لنعلم أن المتن مشكوك فيه بدرجة كبيرة:

11119 حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي حدثنا أسود بن عامر أخبرنا أبو إسرائيل يعني إسماعيل بن أبي إسحاق الملائي عن عطية عن أبي سعيد قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ثم اني الثقلين أحدهما أكبر من الآخر كتاب الله حبل ممدود من السماء إلى الأرض وعترتي أهل بيتي وانهما لن يفترقا حتى يردا على الحوض. (مسند أحمد. ج3. ص 14)

43 إسماعيل بن أبي إسحاق الملائي أبو إسرائيل ليس بثقة. (الضعفاء والمتروكين للنسائي. ج1. ص 18)

850 إسماعيل بن أبي إسحاق الملائي هو أبو إسرائيل الملائي أحد الضعفاء. (ميزان الاعتدال في نقد الرجال. ج1. ص 378)

إسماعيل بن خليفة العبسي أبو إسرائيل بن أبي إسحاق الملائي الكوفي وقيل اسمه عبد العزيز روى عن الحكم بن عتيبة وفضيل بن عمر والفقيمي وإسماعيل السدي وعطية العوفي وأبي عمر البهراني وغيرهم وعنه الثوري وهو من أقرانه وأبو أحمد الزبيري ووكيع وأبو نعيم وإسماعيل بن صبيح اليشكري وأبو الوليد الطيالسي وغيرهم قال الأثرم عن أحمد يكتب حديثه وقد روى حديثا بنو في القتيل وقال أحمد أيضا خالف الناس في أحاديث حمل عليه أبو الوليد الطيالسي حملا شديدا وقال إذنه حديث وجد قتيل بين قريتين ليس له أصل وما جاء به غيره. (تهذيب التهذيب. ج1. ص 255، 256)

42 عطية بن سعد العوفي مائل. (أحوال الرجال. ج1. ص 56)

481 عطية العوفي ضعيف. (الضعفاء والمتروكين للنسائي. ج1. ص 85)

النتيجة: لا يمكن أن يحتج بالحديث بالمرة لسقوط ثلاثة من رواته.

11147 حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا أبو النضر ثنا محمد يعني بن طلحة عن الأعمش عن عطية العوفي عن أبي سعيد الخدري عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال ثم اني أوشك ان أدعي فأجيب وأني الثقلين كتاب الله عز وجل وعترتي كتاب الله حبل ممدود من السماء إلى الأرض وعترتي أهل بيتي وان اللطيف الخبير أخبرني انهما لن يفترقا حتى يردا علي الحوض فانظروني بم تخلفوني فيهما. (مسند أحمد. ج3. ص 17)

541 محمد بن طلحة بن مصرف ليس بالقوي كوفي. (الضعفاء والمتروكين للنسائي. ج1. ص 93)

3049 محمد بن طلحة بن مصرف أبو عبد الله الكوفي قال أبو كامل ليس بشيء وقال يحيى مرة كذلك وقال مرة ثقة وقال النسائي ليس بالقوي. (الضعفاء والمتروكين لابن الجوزي. ج3. ص 72)

وروى عباس عن يحيى لا يحتج به بن مصرف وأيوب بن عتبة وفليح بن سليمان قلت له ممن سمعت هذا قال من مظفر بن مدرك وكنت آخذ عنه هذا الشأن قلت مظفر هو أبو كامل من حفاظ بغداد. (ميزان الاعتدال في نقد الرجال. ج5. ص 443)

عطية العوفي....... سبق الكلام فيه وثبت أنه ضعيف.

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