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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

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هل عندك اعتراض على هذا السند ؟؟؟؟
فتفضلت بالاجابة اجابة غريبة جدا و هى كما يلى .............

وهكذا يتضح ان اية الولاية انما نزلت بالامام على عليه السلام عندما تصدق راكعا و يكاد يجمع المفسرون على ذلك.
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سيادتكم نظرت إلى إجابتي هذه دون أن تنظر إلى ردودي الأخر. وألخصها فيما يلي:

1- أننا أهل السنة والجماعة نأخذ الحديث من كتب الحديث لا من كتب التفاسير. وقد أوردت لك ذلك في المداخلة رقم 23.

2- أوردت لك أن المفسرين اختلفوا في سبب نزول الآية. ذكرت لك ذلك في المداخلة 23 التي أكرر جزءًا منها ثم أضيف إليه:

حدثنا إنما وليكم الله ورسوله والذين آمنوا الذين يقيمون الصلاة ويؤتون الزكاة وهم راكعون لقول عبادة أتولى الله ورسوله والذين آمنوا وتبرئه من بني قينقاع وولايتهم إلى قوله فإن حزب الله هم الغالبون." (تفسير الطبري)

ويقول القرطبي في تفسيره:

فيه مسئلتان وذلك أن سائلا سأل في مسجد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فلم يعطه أحد شيئا وكان علي في الصلاة في الركوع وفي يمينه خاتم فأشار إلى السائل بيده حتى أخذه.

فالقرطبي يضع الرأيين بين يدي القاريء.

ويقول ابن كثير بعد أن يورد الروايات المؤيدة للمسألة الثانية بشأن هذه الآية:

"وليس يصح شيء منها بالكلية لضعف أسانيدها وجهالة رجالها." (تفسير ابن كثير. ج2. ص 72)

حدثنا . (حلية الأولياء. ج 3. ص 185)

البيضاوي في تفسيره يورد أن الآية نزلت بشأن سيدنا علي.

الواحدي يقول في تفسيره أنها نزلت بشأن الذين أسلموا من اليهود وهجرههم قومهم فقالوا رضينا بالله ربا وبرسوله وبالمؤمنين أولياء.

وكذلك يقول هذا القول تفسير الجلالين.

البغوي يورد في تفسيره جميع الروايات ويضعها بين يدي القاريء.

الشوكاني يفسر الآية بمعناها العام دون التطرق البتة لأسباب النزول.

وسيادتكم تقول أن المفسرين كلهم تقريبًا يجمعون على أن الآية نزلت في سيدنا علي!!!

الروايات كما ترى كثيرة ومنها روايتك.

والسؤال: ما هو الكذب وما هو الصدق هنا على فرض صحة سند روايتك تمامًا؟

السؤال هنا خطأ. لماذا؟

نحن (أنت وانا) يقع بيننا بعض الاختلاف. فمن منا الصادق ومن الكاذب؟

أكرر السؤال خطأ. لأن التعبير عن الرأي بالمراجع والمصادر عمل جميل يقبل الصواب أو الخطأ. ولا يندرج تحت الصدق والكذب.

كذلك الذين عبروا عن رأيهم في الروايات السابقة بما فيهم روايتك ورواتها وهم أبو سعيد الاشج، عن الفضل بن دكين، عن موسى بن قيس الحضرمي، عن سلمة بن كهيل.

الله لم يقرر أنها في نزلت في سيدنا علي، ولا رسوله أكد أنها نزلت في سيدنا علي لكي يكون كلام الله ورسوله مُلْزِم لي وللمسلمين جميعًا. لذلك أدلى الذين آمنوا بأرائهم التي أعلن عن عدم التزامي بأيٍّ منها وإيماني بالمعنى العام للآية. وقواعد البحث العلمي تؤيدني في هذا. كيف أبني عقيدتي على مجموعة أراء متضاربة ولا أُعْمِل رأيي وعقلي. العقيدة تبنى على نص صريح من الله ورسوله، لا على الأراء المتضاربة ولو كان سندها صحيحًا مادام الله ليس هو المتكلم ولا رسوله. وها هي الروايات بسندها بين يديك شاهدة على كلامي هذا.

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03-09-2006, 11:16 PM
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