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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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36486- عن عمير بن سعد قال: شهدت عليا على المنبر ناشد أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من سمع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم غدير خم يقول ما قال فيشهد، فقام اثنا عشر رجلا منهم أبو هريرة وأبو سعيد وأنس بن مالك فشهدوا أنهم سمعوا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه، اللهم! وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه.(طس)
(أورده الهيثمي في مجمع الزوائد (9/108) وقال رواه الطبراني في الأوسط وإسناده حسن. ص).
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أين إسناد الحديث أخي الفاضل؟؟؟!!! هل الراوي سمع من عمير بن سعد الأنصاري الذي رأى سيدنا علي؟؟؟!!! لابد أن راوي هذه الرواية الساقطة سمع فلانًا الذي سمع من فلان عن فلان ...الخ عن عمير بن سعد. أين هذا السند؟؟؟!!!

وعليك أن تعلم أن عمير بن سعد كان والي عمر على حمص. أي كان مؤمنًا بولاية عمر معرضًا في نظر الشيعة عن ولاية سيدنا علي كرم الله وجهه. وإلا لما والَى سيدنا عمر!!!:

6887 عمير بن سعد عامل عمر على حمص. (الإصابة. ج 5. ص 308)

ربما تقصد هذه الرواية:

2254 حدثنا أحمد بن إبراهيم بن عبد الله بن كيسان الثقفي الأصبهاني قال حدثنا إسماعيل بن عمرو البجلي قال حدثنا مسعر بن كدام عن طلحة بن مصرف عن عميرة بن سعد ال شهدت عليا على المنبر ناشد أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من سمع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم غدير خم يقول ما قال فيشهد فقام اثنا عشر رجلا منهم أبو سعيد وأبو هريرة وأنس بن مالك فشهدوا أنهم سمعوا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد بن عاداه. (المعجم الأوسط. ج2. ص 368، 369)

407 أحمد بن إبراهيم بن عبد الله بن كيسان أبو بكر النسفي الأصبهاني عن إسماعيل بن عمرو البجلي لينه بن مردويه وقال أبو الشيخ كان يخطىء ليس بالقوي. وقال أبو نعيم يعرف بابن شادونه وكان مكفوفا قال أبو الشيخ أدركته ولم أكتب عنه كان يُحَدِّثُ مِنْ حِفْظِهِ مات سنة إحدى وتسعين ومائتين. (لسان الميزان. ج 1. ص 132)

حدثنا عبد الله بن أحمد قال سمعت يحيى بن معين يقول كان يقال ثلاثة يتقى حديثهم طلحة بن مصرف وأيوب بن عتبة وفليح بن سليمان قلت له ممن سمعت هذا قال سمعته من أبي كامل المظفر بن مدرك وكنت آخذ عنه هذا الشأن. (ضعفاء العقيلي. ج3. ص 466)

إلا أنه كان مشهورًا في قراءة القرآن الكريم ماهرًا به:

قال أحمد بن عبد الله العجلي كان يحرم النبيذ وكان عثمانيا يفضل عثمان على علي وكان من أقرأ أهل الكوفة وخيارهم. (تهذيب الكمال. ج13. ص 437)

لذلك أنكر طلحة بن مصرف مغالاة البعض في تشيعهم لسيدنا علي رضي الله عنه:

وقال محمد بن طلحة عن أبيه إنا لنرى أن أكثر تبع الدجال قوم ينتحلون حب علي رضي الله عنه. (التاريخ الكبير. ج4. ص 346)

وهذا كفيل بسقوط الرواية.

تقول مقتبسًا:

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عن إسحاق عن عمرو ذي مر وسعيد بن وهب وزيد بن يثيع قالوا: سمعنا عليا يقول: نشدت الله رجلا سمع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول يوم غدير خم ما قال لما قام، فقام ثلاثة عشر رجلا فشهدوا أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: ألست أولى بالمؤمنين من أنفسهم؟ قالوا: بلى يا رسول قال فأخذ بيد علي قال: من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه، اللهم! وال من والاه، وعاد من عاداه، وأحب من أحبه، وأبغض من أبغضه، وأنصر من نصره، وأخذل من خذله.
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وقد ورد في عمرو ذي مر ما يلي:

عمرو ذو مر عن علي قال البخاري لا يعرف . (ميزان الاعتدال في نقد الرجال. ج5. ص 354 + الكامل في ضعفاء الرجال. ج 5. ص 142 + ضعفاء العقيلي. ج3. ص 271)

فانظر إلى "أبي إسحاق الهمذاني السبيعي الكوفي" يحدث عن عمرو ذي مر المجهول الذي يسب أبا بكر وعمر وينسب عمرو ذلك إلى سيدنا علي كرم الله وجهه. ومن ثم فالرواية باطلة.

عن رباح بن الحارث قال جاء رهط إلى علي بالرحبة قالوا السلام عليك يا مولانا فقال كيف أكون مولاكم وأنتم قوم عرب قالوا سمعنا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم غدير خم يقول من كنت مولاه فهذا مولاه قال رباح فلما مضوا تبعتهم فقلت من هؤلاء قالوا نفر من الأنصار فيهم أبو أيوب الأنصاري رواه أحمد والطبراني إلا أنه قال قالوا سمعنا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه وهذا أبو أيوب بيننا فحسر أبو أيوب يباع عن وجهه ثم قال سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه ورجال أحمد ثقات. (مجمع الزوائد. ج9. ص 102، 103)

هذه الرواية ساقطة لسقوط سندها. فأين سند وسلسلة الرواة؟؟؟!!!

إذن ننظر فيما جاء في مسند الإمام أحمد:

23609 حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا يحيى بن آدم ثنا حنش بن الحرث بن لقيط النخعي الأشجعي عن رباح بن الحارث قال ثم جاء رهط إلى على بالرحبة فقالوا السلام عليك يا مولانا قال كيف أكون مولاكم وأنتم قوم عرب؟ قالوا سمعنا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم غد يرخم يقول من كنت مولاه فان هذا مولاه قال رياح فلما مضوا تبعتهم فسألت من هؤلاء قالوا نفر من الأنصار فيهم أبو أيوب الأنصاري. (مسند أحمد. ج5. ص 419)

حنش بن الحرث بن لقيط النخعي الأشجعي: مجهول لم أجد له ترجمة البتة. وإن كان كذلك فالرواية باطلة ومردودة.

كما أن الرواية لم تزد عن عبارة "من كنت مولاه فان هذا مولاه" التي فهمها المعاصرون لسيدنا علي بمعنى الحب والثقة. ولذلك منهم من والى سيدنا عمر ومنهم من والى سيدنا عثمان كما أسلفنا.

الرواية الأخيرة التي أوردتها سيادتكم:

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وعن عمرو ذي مر وزيد بن أرقم قالا: خطب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم غدير خم فقال:
"من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه، اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه، وانصر من نصره وأعن من أعانه".
قلت: لزيد بن أرقم عند الترمذي: "من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه". فقط.
رواه الطبراني وأحمد عن زيد وحده باختصار إلا أنه قال في أوله: نزلنا مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بواد يقال له: خم، فأمر بالصلاة فصلاها بهجير، قال: فخطب وظلل على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم على شجرة من الشمس فقال: "ألستم تعلمون - أو ألستم تشهدون - أني أولى بكل مؤمن من نفسه؟". قالوا: بلى. فذكر نحوه.
والبزار وفيه ميمون أبو عبد الله البصري وثقه ابن حبان وضعفه جماعة، وبقية رجاله ثقات.
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في الرواية " عمرو ذي مر" وهو مجهول كما ذكرنا من قبل وقد سبَّ سيدنا أبا بكر وسيدنا عمر. وفي الرواية "ميمون أبو عبد الله البصري" وهو ضعيف وقد بسطنا الكلام فيه من قبل.

كما أن الرواية ساقطة لافتقادها إلى شرط التوثيق. فأين سند الرواة المتصل أخي الفاضل؟؟؟!!!

ربما تقصد ما جاء كالتالي:

5092 حدثنا زكريا بن حمدويه البغدادي ثنا عفان ثنا أبو عوانة عن مغيرة عن أبي عبيدة عن ميمون أبي عبد الله قال قال زيد بن أرقم وأنا أسمع نزلنا مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بواد يقال له وادي خم فأمر بالصلاة فصلاها بالهجير فخطبنا وظلل لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بثوب على شجرة من الشمس فقال ألستم تعلمون أني أولى بكل مؤمن ومؤمنة من نفسه قالوا بلى قال فمن كنت مولاه فإن عليا مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه. (المعجم الكبير. ج 5. ص 202)

والرواية تحوي "ميمون أبي عبد الله" وهو ضعيف كما ذكرنا.

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