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"ونودي في الناس الصلاة جامعة ودعا رسول الله عليا وأخذ بيده فاقامه عن يمينه فقال ألست أولى بكل امرء من نفسه قالوا بلى قال فان هذا مولى من أنا مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه فلقيه عمر بن الخطاب فقال هنيئا لك أصبحت وأمسيت مولى كل مؤمن ومؤمنة ورواه ابن جرير عن أبي زرعة عن موسى بن اسماعيل عن حماد بن سلمة عن علي بن زيد وابي هارون العبدي وكلاهما ضعيف عن عدي بن ثابت عن البراء بن عازب به وروى ابن جرير هذا الحديث من حديث موسى بن عثمان الحضرمي وهو ضعيف جدا عن أبي اسحاق السبيعي عن البراء وزيد بن أرقم فالله أعلم وقال الامام احمد حدثنا ابن نمير ثنا عبد الملك عن أبي عبد الرحيم الكندي عن زاذان أبي عمر قال سمعت عليا بالرحبة وهو ينشد الناس من شهد رسول الله يوم غدير خم وهو يقول ما قال قال فقام اثنا عشر رجلا فشهدوا أنهم سمعوا من رسول الله وهو يقول من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه تفرد به احمد وأبو عبد الرحيم هذا لا يعرف وقال عبد الله بن الامام احمد في مسند أبيه حديث علي بن حكيم الاودي أخبرنا شريك عن أبي اسحاق عن سعيد بن وهب وعن زيد بن يثيغ قال نشد علي الناس في الرحبة من سمع رسول الله يقول يوم غدير خم ما قال إلا قام قال فقام من قبل سعيد ستة ومن قبل زيد ستة فشهدوا أنهم سمعوا رسول الله يقول لعلي يوم غدير خم أليس الله أولى بالمؤمنين من انفسهم قالوا بلى قال اللهم من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه قال عبد الله وحدثني علي بن حكيم انا شريك عن ابي اسحاق عن عمرو ذي أمر مثل حديث ابي اسحاق يعني عن سعيد وزيد وزاد فيه وانصر من نصره واخذل من خذله قال عبد الله وحدثنا علي ثنا شريك عن الاعمش عن حبيب بن ابي ثابت عن ابي الطفيل عن زيد بن أرقم عن النبي مثله وقال النسائي في كتاب خصائص علي حدثنا حسين بن حرب ثنا الفضل بن موسى عن الاعمش عن ابي اسحاق عن سعيد بن وهب قال قال علي في الرحبة أنشد بالله رجلا سمع رسول الله يوم غدير خم يقول ان الله ولي المؤمنين ومن كنت وليه فهذا وليه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه وانصر من نصره وكذلك رواه شعبة عن ابي اسحاق وهذا اسناد جيد ورواه النسائي أيضا من حديث اسرائيل عن ابي اسحاق عن عمرو ذي أمر قال نشد علي الناس بالرحبة فقام اناس فشهدوا أنهم سمعوا رسول الله يقول يوم غدير خم من كنت مولاه فان عليا مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه وأحب من أحبه وابغض من أبغضه وانصر من نصره ورواه ابن جرير عن احمد بن منصور عن عبد الرزاق عن اسرائيل عن أبي اسحاق عن زيد بن وهب وعبد خير عن علي وقد رواه ابن جرير عن احمد بن منصور عبيد الله بن موسى وهو شيعي ثقة عن فطر بن خليفة عن أبي اسحاق عن زيد بن وهب وزيد بن يثيغ وعمرو ذي أمر أن عليا أنشد الناس بالكوفة وذكر الحديث وقال عبد الله بن احمد حدثني عبيد الله بن عمر القواريري ثنا يونس بن أرقم ثنا يزيد بن ابي زياد عن عبد الرحمن بن أبي ليلى شهدت عليا في الرحبة ينشد الناس فقال اشهد الله من سمع رسول الله يوم غدير خم يقول من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه لما قام فشهد قال عبد الرحمن فقام اثنا عشر رجلا بدريا كأني أنظر الى أحدهم فقالوا نشهد أنا سمعنا رسول الله يقول يوم غدير خم ألست أولى بالمؤمنين من أنفسهم وأزواجي أمهاتهم فقلنا بلى يا رسول الله قال من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه اسناد ضعيف غريب وقال عبد الله بن احمد حدثنا احمد بن عمير الوكيعي ثنا زيد بن الحباب ثنا الوليد بن عقبة بن ضرار القيسي أنبأنا سماك عن عبيد بن الوليد القيسي قال دخلت على عبد الرحمن بن أبي ليلى فحدثني أنه شهد عليا في الرحبة قال أنشد بالله رجلا سمع رسول الله وشهده يوم غدير خم إلأ قام ولا يقوم إلا من رآه فقام اثنا عشر رجلا فقالوا قد رأيناه وسمعناه حيث أخذ بيده يقول اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه وانصر من نصره واخذل من خذله فقام إلا ثلاثة لم يقوموا فدعا عليهم فاصابتهم دعوته وروى أيضا عن عبد الاعلى بن عامر التغلبي وغيره عن عبد الرحمن بن ابي ليلى به وقال ابن جرير ثنا احمد بن منصور ثنا أبو عامر العقدي وروى ابن أبي عاصم عن سليمان الغلابي عن ابي عامر العقدي ثنا كثير بن زيد حدثني محمد بن عمر بن علي عن ابيه عن علي أن رسول الله حضر الشجرة بخم فذكر الحديث وفيه من كنت مولاه فان عليا مولاه وقد رواه بعضهم عن أبي عامر عن كثير عن محمد بن عمر بن علي عن علي منقطعا وقال اسماعيل بن عمرو البجلي وهو ضعيف"
" وقال أبو جعفر بن جرير الطبري في الجزء الأول من كتاب غدير خم قال شيخنا أبو عبد الله الذهبي وجدته في نسخة مكتوبة عن ابن جرير حدثنا محمود بن عوف الطائي ثنا عبيد الله بن موسى أنبأنا اسماعيل بن كشيط عن جميل بن عمارة عن سالم بن عبد الله بن عمر قال ابن جرير أحسبه قال عن عمر وليس في كتابي سمعت رسول الله وهو آخذ بيد علي من كنت مولاه فهذا مولاه اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه وهذا حديث غريب بل منكر وإسناده ضعيف"

" من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه فأنزل الله عز وجل اليوم أكملت لكم دينكم وأتممت عليكم نعمتي قال أبو هريرة وهو يوم غدير خم من صام يوم ثمان عشرة من ذي الحجة كتب له صيام ستين شهرا فانه حديث منكر جدا بل كذب لمخالفته لما ثبت في الصحيحين عن أمير المؤمنين عمر بن الخطاب أن هذه الآيه نزلت في يوم الجمعة يوم عرفة ورسول الله واقف بها."

ربما تقول أن ابن كثير ذكر أن النسائي قال في كتاب "خصائص علي". فهل قال هذا في سننه أم في ماذا؟ فإن قال ذلك في السنن فإنني ملزم بالنظر فيما قال لأن سنن النسائي من كتب الحديث المعتمدة لدى أهل السنة والجماعة. وإذا كان قال ذلك في كتاب سيرة أو تاريخ فإنني أضرب به عرض الحائط. فما كان للعقيدة عند أهل السنة والجماعة أن تؤخذ من كتب السيرة والتاريخ التي كتبت لتسجل الأحداث من وجهة نظر المؤرخ ومما سمعه وما حصل عليه من معلومات دون تثبت من الرواية كما هو الحال في الحديث. عليك بالقرآن الكريم وكتب الحديث المعتمدة فقط وما عدا ذلك فليس بحجة عند أهل السنة والجماعة.

فكل الروايات التي جاءت في كتب الحديث كما ترى ضعيفة

أما ماجاء في كتب السيرة والتاريخ فكما قلت من الخطا الشديد الاستشهاد به خاصة في مجال العقيدة التي لا يمكن أن تؤخذ من كتاب تاريخ أو سيرة لم يدقق كاتبها في الروايات لأنه غير ملزم بالتدقيق المطالب به في كتب الحديث.

لذا ضع رواياتك من كتب الحديث إذا تفضلت واعلم أن أي رواية جاء فيها "شريك" أو أي راو أُخْتِلِفَ فيه فهي ضعيفة.

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03-13-2006, 05:21 PM
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