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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
الأخ الفاضل علي نور
تحياتي لك

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ليس كل ضعيف مرفوض يا اخى الفاضل.

ولكن نص الرسول الاعظم و القران على ولايته.

و لهذا السبب نص على ولاية الامام على عليه السلام.
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أخي الفاضل ما جاء في مداخلاتنا بهذا الخصوص حتى الآن هو ضعيف. والضعيف لا يثبت شيئًا.

الروايتان جاءتا في مصادر أهل السنة والجماعة، ومن ثم يكون الحكم لأهل السنة والجماعة الذين لا يمكن أن يقبلوا حديثًا ضعيفًا خاصة في مجال العقيدة ولو تكرر هذا الحديث ألاف المرات. فإذا أخذنا من مصادر أهل السنة والجماعة كان الحكم فيما أخذنا منهم هم. وإذا أخذنا من مصادر الشيعة كان الحكم فيما أخذنا من علماء الشيعة أنفسهم. وهذا مبدأ متعارف عليه في الحوارات العلمية.

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و كلمة المولى لا تعنى الحاكم.
بل تعنى الموكل اليه كل امور المتولى .
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كلمة مولى تعنى الحاكم و لكن بصلاحيات تتعدى مسالة الحاكم
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توليه للخلافة دليل ان كلمة مولى تعنى الحكم ايضا يا اخى الفاضل فتامل
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لا تعليق.

أخي الفاضل علي نور أشكرك على توضيحك أعلاه إلا أن هناك بعض المسائل تحتاج لمزيد من التوضيح حتى أتمكن من النظر في كل النقاط التي أثرتها سيادتكم. أذكرها فيما يلي:

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1- اعطى عمر الحق لعبد الرحمن بن عوف بضرب عنق الامام على عليه السلام ان رفض استخلاف من يختاره اجتماع الستة.
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أين مراجعك ومصادرك؟؟؟!!! برجاء أخي الفاضل أن لا تضع تهمة ضد شخص إلا بدليل أي بمصدر نرجع إليه ونتأكد منه ونبحثه.

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2- لو رفض الامام دخول الشورى فسيعتبرون انهم قدموا له الالخلافة ولكنه رفضها فترتفع عنهم الحجة .
و لكنه سد عليهم الذريعة و دخل فى الشورى ليشور عليهم بتوليته مذكرا اياهم بنص الرسول الاعظم على ذلك .
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أين مراجعك ومصادرك التي تقول ذلك؟؟؟!!! أرجو ذكر النص الذي يشهد بهذا بمصدره.

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3- و لذلك فان الامام على عليه السلام طلب من الصحابة ان يشهدوا بان الرسول الاعظم قال :من كنت مولاه فعلى مولاه
فلما شهدوا بذلك قبل البيعة

فى هذا الموقف التقت مصلحتهم مع قرار الدين فوافقوا عليه و هذا ما يرفضه الامام .
فاعلن كما اسلفنا و اشهد الناس ان ولايته بالنص و ليس بالاهواء.
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أرجو وضع مراجعك مصادرك أخي الفاضل التي تؤكد كلامك هذا، التي تؤكد أنه قبل الولاية وأشهدهم بنصها في الشريعة. بدون مراجع ومصادر يمكنني أن أقول ما شئت. لذا برجاء ذكر المصدر والمرجع بدقة حتى يمكننا الرجوع إليه والنظر فيه. ومن الفضل أن تقتبس من المرجع والمصدر مباشرة ليكون كلامك أفضل من هذا من ناحية الحجة وأوثق علميًّا.

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4- الكثير من الصحابة لن ترضى منه اقامة العدل و الحق و تغيير الفتن و القوانين الغير عادلة التى تم وضعها ممن قبله و هذا لن يرضى الكثيرين فتنشب الفتنة و سفك الدماء التى لا يريدها الامام على عليه السلام
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برجاء تحديد أسماء الصحابة الذين فعلوا ذلك حتى نبحثهم إن شاء الله أو تحديد كبرائهم الذي تزعموا هذا. أو تحديد من لم يشارك في هذا لكي أفهم أن غيرهم هم من فعلوا هذا. أرجو التحديد أخي الفاضل مع ذكر المصدر والمرجع.

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5- الولاية و الخلافة التى رفضها الامام على عليه السلام هى خلافة الشورى التى تتحدث عنها.
هى الخلافة التى اختارها الناس و ليس الله و رسوله .

و هو هنا لم يقرر ان اختيار الحاكم يتم بالشورى و راى الناس . (وهو يحاجج الخوارج)
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أخي الكريم:

"فإن اجتمعوا ، فإن خرج عن أمرهم خارج بطعن أو بدعة ردّوه إلى ما خرج منه"

ألا تدل شهادة سيدنا علي خاصة في لفظة "رضى" على رضى المهاجرين والأنصار ومن ثم رضى الله سبحانه وتعالى بذلك؟؟؟!!!

وهل"فإن اجتمعوا على رجل وسمّوه إمامًا كان ذلك رضى، فإن خرج عن أمرهم خارج بطعن أو بدعة ردّوه إلى ما خرج منه" أرجو التوضيح.

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6- نعم عاش وسط الصحابة
من قال بان الامام انعزل عنهم
ثم من هم هؤلاء الصحابة ؟؟؟؟
اليس سلمان من الصحابة و ابو ذر و بلال و عمار واويس القرنى وحجر بن عدى وغيرهم كثير ممن كانوا شيعته.
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أرجو ذكر المصدر والمرجع الذي يقول بهذا، الذي يؤكد أن هؤلاء الصحابة كانوا من شيعة سيدنا علي. سيادتكم تذكر 5 من الصحابة ثم تزيد العدد كثيرًا بقولك "وغيرهم كثير". هل أنت متاكد مما تقول؟؟؟!!! برجاء ذكر المرجع والمصدر لأن بين يدي مراجع شيعية معتبرة ولها وزنها العلمي تقول أن الجميع من بعد وفاة الرسول ارتدوا إلا ثلاثة، ثلاثة فقطّّ!!!
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7- فهو يعلن لهم انه سيعيد العدل و سيكون امره صعب على نفوسهم لانهم غنوا من الظلم و اتسعت اموالهم و ممتلكاتهم من الظلم فهو لا يستغفل الناس و يعلن لهم انه لن يخشى فى الله لومة لائم.
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هل أنت متأكد مما تقول أخي الفاضل؟؟؟!!!

هل حسب المصادر الشيعية وفَّى الإمام علي بوعوده هذه؟؟؟!!!

هل أعاد العدل بالفعل؟؟؟!!!

هل بلغ رسالة الله لهم ولم يخش في الله لومة لائم؟؟؟!!!

وبالتحديد هل بلغهم عقيدة الإمامة فيه وفي ذريته من بعده وانها تعلو كافة أركان الإسلام وعقائده؟

وإذا كان بلغهم شريعة الله كما نزلت، هل تعلم الشيعة أصول الدين الحقيقي على يد الإمام علي الذي فصاروا يطبقونه كما تعلموه منه؟؟؟!!! برجاء التوضيح.

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8- كما انه كان يصلى معهم و ياخذ منهم و يعطيهم و يتزوج منهم ويتزوجوا منه
طيب ما الجديد ؟؟؟؟
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هل أنت متاكد أن الفقه الشيعي يجيز ذلك؟؟؟!!! أم أن الفقة الشيعي يعتبر ذلك كفرًا بواحًا؟؟؟ أرجو ذكر المصدر والمرجع عند الرد إذا تفضلت.

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9- و لذلك جعل الله للمسلمين من بعد الرسول الاعظم اماما هو مولى للمسلمين لا تغيب عنه شارة و لا واردة فى الدين الا احصاها و وعيها.
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أخي، الذي لا يغيب عنه شيء هو الله عز وجل. وهو الذي أحصى كل شيء وأحصى عباده عددًا. اسمح لي واعذرني أن أوقد على المبخرة وأبخر نفسي حتى لا أشرك بالله أحدًا وأتمتم بهذه الكلمات حتى لا يصيبني الشرك الأصغر ولا الشرك الأكبر:

"كنوش أي كنوش أرشش عطنيطنيطح يا مطيطرون فريالسنون ما وما ساما طيطشا لوش خيطوش. أعوذه بيا أهيا شراهيا. اللهم بالعين والميم والفاء والحاءين بنور أبو الأشباح.. اكفني شر من دب ومشى"

وأقدم اعتذاري مقدمًا.

وكيف عرفت هذا؟! هل ترك الإمام علي الأمة (أقصد أتباعه) وهي تعلم كل شاردة وواردة في الدين؟؟؟!!!
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10- و كذلك الامام على عليه السلام
يصرخ فى اعدائه الذين يسعون الى سفك الدماء و الفتنة بان وصوله للحكم تم بنفس شروط من بايعتموه و تعتبرونه رمزا لكم بل انه والد عائشة
فلماذا تنكرون على الامام ما رضيتموه من غيره ؟؟؟؟؟
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وصوله للحكم تم بنفس شروط من بايعتموه: ما هي الشروط أخي الفاضل. الأمر هنا يحتاج لمزيد من التوضيح منك.

فلماذا تنكرون على الامام ما رضيتموه من غيره: ما هي الأمور التي أنكروها على الإمام ورضوها من غيره؟؟؟!!! ومن هم "غيره" هؤلاء؟؟؟!!!


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11- الرسول يقول: "ومن النجيب من أهلي يا جبرائيل؟". الرسول لا يعرف من المختار من الله قبل حتى عند موته.
أيعقل هذا؟؟؟!!!

معقول جدا يا اخى الفاضل اذا علمت ان كل اهل البيت نجباء .
فالسؤال عنئذ طبيعى جدا :
و من النجيب من اهلى يا جبرائيل ؟؟؟
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أخي الكريم هذا يتعارض تمامًا مع عشرات الروايات وتفاسير الآيات التي تؤكد أن الرسول كان يعلم بأنه علي بن أبي طالب، بل وصل الأمر إلى تهديد الوحي للرسول إذا لم يعلن عن ذلك. فكيف ينسى وصية عظيمة كهذه قبيل موته؟؟؟!!!:

قد جاء في سبب نزول الآية " {يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُ وَاللّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ النَّاسِ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الْكَافِرِينَ} (المائدة 67)": "
"إن الله عز وجل حين أوحى إلى نبيه صلى الله عليه وسلم أن يقيم عليًا للناس علمًا اندس إليه معاذ بن جبل فقال: أشرك في ولايته الأول والثاني (يعني أبا بكر وعمر) حتى يسكن الناس إلى قولك ويصدقوك، فلما أنزل الله عز وجل: {يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ} شكا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إلى جبرائيل فقال: إن الناس يكذبوني ولا يقبلون مني، فأنزل الله عز وجل: {لَئِنْ أَشْرَكْتَ لَيَحْبَطَنَّ عَمَلُكَ وَلَتَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ} (البرهان. ج4. ص 83).

"نزل جبرائيل على النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال: يا محمد، السلام يقرئك السلام ويقول: "خلقت السماوات السبع وما فيهن، والأرضين السبع وما عليهن، وما خلقت موضعًا أعظم من الركن والمقام، ولو أن عبدًا دعاني هناك منذ خلقت السّماوات والأرضين ثم لقيني جاحدًا لولاية علي لأكببته في سقر" (أمالي الصّدوق. ص 290 + بحار الأنوار. ج27. ص 167)

كيف يجهل الرسول عليًّا قبيل موته مع أن من جهله كان ضالًا!!!:

"إنّ الله عزّ وجلّ نصب عليًّا علمًا بينه وبين خلقه فمن عرفه كان مؤمنًا، ومن أنكره كان كافرًا، ومن جهله كان ضالاً، ومن نصب معه شيئًا كان مشركًا، ومن جاء بولايته دخل الجنّة" (أصول الكافي. ج1. ص 437)

وماذا تقصد بقولك "كل اهل البيت نجباء"؟ هل تقصد كل ذرية سيدنا علي والسيدة فاطمة دون أن يشذ أحد حتى تنطبق عليهم آية التطهير أم تقصد جزءًا من ذريتهم لا ذريتهم كلها؟؟؟!!!

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