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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
على نور الله غير متصل
Banned
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المشاركات: 8,439
الانضمام: Apr 2005
مشاركة: #78
من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
نتابع على بركة الله و باذنه:

تفضلت اخى الفاضل بالقول :
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أرجو ذكر المصدر والمرجع الذي يقول بهذا، الذي يؤكد أن هؤلاء الصحابة كانوا من شيعة سيدنا علي. سيادتكم تذكر 5 من الصحابة ثم تزيد العدد كثيرًا بقولك "وغيرهم كثير". هل أنت متاكد مما تقول؟؟؟!!! برجاء ذكر المرجع والمصدر لأن بين يدي مراجع شيعية معتبرة ولها وزنها العلمي تقول أن الجميع من بعد وفاة الرسول ارتدوا إلا ثلاثة، ثلاثة فقطّّ!!!
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الجواب:
اخى الفاضل
هؤلاء قاتلوا الى جانب الامام على عليه السلام ضد جميع من عادوه اليسوا اذن من شيعته ؟؟؟؟


رابعا:
تفضلت بالقول :
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هل أنت متأكد مما تقول أخي الفاضل؟؟؟!!!

هل حسب المصادر الشيعية وفَّى الإمام علي بوعوده هذه؟؟؟!!!

هل أعاد العدل بالفعل؟؟؟!!!

هل بلغ رسالة الله لهم ولم يخش في الله لومة لائم؟؟؟!!!

وبالتحديد هل بلغهم عقيدة الإمامة فيه وفي ذريته من بعده وانها تعلو كافة أركان الإسلام وعقائده؟

وإذا كان بلغهم شريعة الله كما نزلت، هل تعلم الشيعة أصول الدين الحقيقي على يد الإمام علي الذي فصاروا يطبقونه كما تعلموه منه؟؟؟!!! برجاء التوضيح.
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الجواب:
نعم قد فعل

خامسا :
تفضلت بالقول :
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8- كما انه كان يصلى معهم و ياخذ منهم و يعطيهم و يتزوج منهم ويتزوجوا منه
طيب ما الجديد ؟؟؟؟
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هل أنت متاكد أن الفقه الشيعي يجيز ذلك؟؟؟!!! أم أن الفقة الشيعي يعتبر ذلك كفرًا بواحًا؟؟؟ أرجو ذكر المصدر والمرجع عند الرد إذا تفضلت.

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الجواب:
نعم الفقه الشيعى يجيز ذلك
لا يا اخى انت تفضل باحضار مصدر ينفى ذلك
الفقه الشيعى يجيز الزواج من المسلمين و الصحابة مسلمون
تفضل احضر انت مصدرا يثبت تحريم زواج الشيعة من المسلمين .

سادسا:
تفضلت بالقول :
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أخي، الذي لا يغيب عنه شيء هو الله عز وجل. وهو الذي أحصى كل شيء وأحصى عباده عددًا. اسمح لي واعذرني أن أوقد على المبخرة وأبخر نفسي حتى لا أشرك بالله أحدًا وأتمتم بهذه الكلمات حتى لا يصيبني الشرك الأصغر ولا الشرك الأكبر:

"كنوش أي كنوش أرشش عطنيطنيطح يا مطيطرون فريالسنون ما وما ساما طيطشا لوش خيطوش. أعوذه بيا أهيا شراهيا. اللهم بالعين والميم والفاء والحاءين بنور أبو الأشباح.. اكفني شر من دب ومشى"

وأقدم اعتذاري مقدمًا.
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الجواب:
لا داعى للاعتذار يا اخى بل العكس فهذه مزحة لطيفة منك :D
اتقبلها باخوة و اشكرك على روح الدعابة و اللطف هذه .
و لكن .....
يا اخى ارجو ان تتخلى عن الحساسية و تتامل قولى جيدا اذ استشهدت بالاية :
و كل شئ احصيناه فى امام مبين

الله هو الذى احصى كل شئ للامام و هو الذى يعصمه ان تغيب عنه اى شاردة او واردة
الامام ولى الله

صحيح البخاري، الإصدار 2.03 - للإمام البخاري
الجزء الرابع >> 84 - كتاب الرقاق. >> 38 - باب: التواضع.


6137 - حدثني محمد بن عثمان بن كرامة: حدثنا خالد بن مخلد: حدثنا سليمان بن بلال: حدثني شريك بن عبد الله بن أبي نمر، عن عطاء، عن أبي هريرة قال:
قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: (إن الله قال: من عادى لي ولياً فقد آذنته بالحرب، وما تقرب إلي عبدي بشيء أحب إلي مما افترضت عليه، وما يزال عبدي يتقرب إلي بالنوافل حتى أحبه، فإذا أحببته: كنت سمعه الذي يسمع به، وبصره الذي يبصر به، ويده التي يبطش بها، ورجله التي يمشي بها، وإن سألني لأعطينَّه، ولئن استعاذني لأعيذنَّه، وما ترددت عن شيء أنا فاعله ترددي عن نفس المؤمن، يكره الموت وأنا أكره مساءته).

فمن يكن الله سمعه و بصره فهل تغيب عنه شاردة او واردة ؟؟؟

سابعا:
تفضلت بالقول :
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وكيف عرفت هذا؟! هل ترك الإمام علي الأمة (أقصد أتباعه) وهي تعلم كل شاردة وواردة في الدين؟؟؟!!!
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الجواب:
طبعا , الامام على عليه السلام هو القائل :
اسالونى قبل ان تفقدونى .
الرسول الاعظم بلغ الامة الدين كاملا
لا اعتقد انك تشك بذلك
لو ان المبلغ لم يضع قواعد لحفظ الدين فهذا تقصير فى التبليغ .

ثامنا :
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وصوله للحكم تم بنفس شروط من بايعتموه: ما هي الشروط أخي الفاضل. الأمر هنا يحتاج لمزيد من التوضيح منك.

فلماذا تنكرون على الامام ما رضيتموه من غيره: ما هي الأمور التي أنكروها على الإمام ورضوها من غيره؟؟؟!!! ومن هم "غيره" هؤلاء؟؟؟!!!

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الجواب:
الشروط موجودة فى نفس العبارة التى نقلتها
و هى الشورى و المبايعة فان تمت مبايعة لاحد يمتنع عن مبايعة غيره اذ ان الثانى يعتبر من شق عصا الاسلام .
و الشروط هو ان البيعة تتم لمن هو حاضر و ليس لمن يغيب ان يقبل منه رد .
اما ما انكروه على الامام هو ان عثمان لم يوص اليه و ان ليس جميع الصحابة المتفرقون فى الامصار راضون عن خلافته
و لكنهم اعترفوا بخلافة عمر دون شورى من المسلمين بل بتوصية من ابى بكر و اعترفوا بخلافة ابى بكر بالرغم من ان بعض الصحابة عارضها .

تاسعا :
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أخي الكريم هذا يتعارض تمامًا مع عشرات الروايات وتفاسير الآيات التي تؤكد أن الرسول كان يعلم بأنه علي بن أبي طالب، بل وصل الأمر إلى تهديد الوحي للرسول إذا لم يعلن عن ذلك. فكيف ينسى وصية عظيمة كهذه قبيل موته؟؟؟!!!:
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الجواب:
اخى الفاضل
الوصية للمسلمين بولاية على عليه السلام قدمها الرسول الاعظم دائما
و ما حصل فى الرواية التى استشهدت حضرتك بها ليس وصية بالولاية للمسلمين بل كتاب فيه وصية للامام على عليه السلام
جبريل عليه السلام قال له :
يا محمد، هذا الكتاب وصيتك إلى النجيب من أهل بيتك،
يعنى نوصيك و نستامنك ان تمنح هذا الكتاب الى النجيب من اهل بيتك
طيب
ما معنى النجيب ؟؟؟؟؟
يعنى الكريم و النبيل و الشريف النسب و الحسب و الفطن الذكى.
و ارجوا ان تتنبه انه لم يقل المنتجب اى المختار و المصطفى .
اصحاب الكساء الخمسة نجباء منتجبون
فهم كرام طيبون فطنون نبلاء شريفى الحسب و النسب .
فلمن منهم يريد جبرائيل تبليغ الكتاب بقوله الى النجيب من اهل بيتك؟؟؟؟
قد يكون الكتاب للحسن عليه السلام او للحسين عليه السلام او ربما لاحد الائمة المعصومين من احفاد الحسين عليه السلام .
الكتاب هذا لا يدل على الاستخلاف انما يدل على فضل عظيم و منحة الهية ليس شرطا ان تكون للوصى من بعد الرسول الاعظم .
و الكتاب لا ينص على الولاية .
طبعا لم ابحث فى سند الرواية و لكن كما اوردتها حضرتك فانها مرسلة لم ترفقها باسناد.
و لكنى لا ارى فيها ما يستدعى التضعيف او الانكار بالنسبة لى لان مضمونها بالنسبة لى غير منكر .

عاشرا :
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وماذا تقصد بقولك "كل اهل البيت نجباء"؟ هل تقصد كل ذرية سيدنا علي والسيدة فاطمة دون أن يشذ أحد حتى تنطبق عليهم آية التطهير أم تقصد جزءًا من ذريتهم لا ذريتهم كلها؟؟؟!!!
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الجواب:
كلمة نجباء وضحتها لك فى تاسعا
اما المقصودين فهم اصحاب الكساء و تسعة من ذرية الامام الحسين عليهم السلام .
ليصيروا اثنى عشرا اماما لا يزال الدين عزيزا بهم .

اللهم صل على محمد و ال محمد
لا فتى الا على و لا سيف الا ذو الفقار




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