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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
على نور الله غير متصل
Banned
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المشاركات: 8,439
الانضمام: Apr 2005
مشاركة: #93
من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
ثالثا:
تفضلت بالقول :
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يقول سيدنا علي ممتدحًا سيدنا أبا بكر أو سيدنا عمر كما قرر علماء الشيعة في النص التالي:

"لله بلاء فلان (أي عمله الحسن في سبيل الله). فلقد قوم الأود (حول إعوجاج الخلق عن سبيل الله إلى الاستقامة)، وداوى العَمَد (أي العلّة) ، وأقام السّنّة... وخلف الفتنة [تركها خلفًا فلم تنل منه)، ذهب نقي الثّوب، قليل العيب، أصاب خيرها وسبق شرّها، أدّى إلى الله طاعته واتّقاه بحقّه" [نهج البلاغة. ص350. تحقيق صبحي الصّالح).
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الجواب:
يا اخى الفاضل
لن اصحح الاخطاء المطبعية التى وقعت فى الخطاب.
و لكن من الذى اعتبر ان فلانا هو عمر؟؟؟؟
انهم علماء السنة المعتزلة و هم ليسوا حجة علينا .
القائل بذلك هو ابن ابى الحديد المعتزلى .
و لكن لماذا قال المعتزلة بذلك ؟؟؟؟
لان نفس هذه العبارة نقلها الطبرى عن ابنة أبي حثمة
فمن هى ابنة ابى حثمة ؟؟؟؟
هى نادبة كان يدفع لها اهل الميت المال لتندب ميتهم .
و قد اتى بها المغيرة بن شعبة و علمها هذه العبارة لان من سمعها من الصحابة و منهم الامام على عليه السلام اعلنوا ان هذا ليس قولها بل انه تم تلقينها اياه و اذ ان الذى احضرها المغيرة بن شعبة صاحب السمعة السيئة الذى انقذه عمر من الحد فاغلب الظن ان الذى لقنها هذا الكلام هو المغيرة اعترافا بفضل عمر عليه اذ انقذه من الحد .
العبارة المنقولة مقتطعة فى النهج و هى غير متصلة و ربما يكون الامام قالها فى تبيين ما قالته النادبة نقلا عن المغيرة ليصدق على جزء من هذه العبارة او كلها
و لكن الثابت انه يصدق على جزء منها فقط و ليس كل ما جاء فيها و لايضاح ذلك :
تاريخ المدينة المنورة: 3 / 941 ـ 942، تحقيق فهيم محمد شلتوت .

وقال ابن شبّه :
: بلغنا انّ عبد الله بن مالك بن عيينة الأزدي حليف بني المطلب، قال: لمّا انصرفنا مع عليّ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ من جنازة عمر ـ رضى الله عنه ـ دخل فاغتسل، ثم خرج إلينا فصمت ساعة، ثم قال: «لله بلاء نادبة عمر قالت: واعمراه أقام الأود، واعمراه، ذهب نقيّ الثوب، قليل العيب، واعمراه أقام السنّة وخلّف الفتنة. ثم قال: والله ما درتْ هذا ولكنها قوَّلَته، وصدقت والله أصاب عمر خيرها وخلّف شرها....

فمن الواضح الان ان الامام استعان بعبارة سمعها ليصدق على الجزء الاخير منها و لم يوافق على كل ما جاء فيها .


رابعا :
تفضلت بالقول :
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"وكان أفضلهم في الإسلام كما زعمت وأنصحهم لله ولرسوله الخليفة الصديق، والخليفة الخليفة الفاروق، ولعمري إن مكانهم في الإسلام لعظيم وأن المصاب بهما لجرح في الإسلام شديد. رحمهما الله وجزاهما بأحسن ما عملا" (شرح نهج البلاغة. للميسم. ص31. ج1. ط طهران).
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الجواب:
ما لونته بالاحمر يدل ان الامام ينقل زعم محاوره كما اسلفنا .

خامسا :
تفضلت بالقول :
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كما روى السيد مرتضى علم الهدى في كتابه عن جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه أن رجلاً من قريش جاء إلى أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام، فقال: سمعتك تقول في الخطبة آنفا: اللهم أصلحنا بما أصلحت به الخلفاء الراشدين، فمن هما؟ قال: حبيباي، وعماك أبو بكر وعمر، وإماما الهدى، وشيخا الإسلام. ورجلا قريش، والمتقدى بهما بعد رسول الله، من اقتدى بهما عصم، ومن اتبع آثارهما هدى إلى صراط المستقيم" (تلخيص الشافي. ج2. ص428).
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الجواب:
احضر السند لو سمحت
هذه رواية مرسلة لم اجد لها سندا فان تجده تفضل به مشكورا .

سادسا:
تفضلت بالقول :
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"أولدني أبو بكر مرتين." (كشف الغمة للأربلي. ج2. ص 373).
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الجواب:
هذه عبارة لا اردها و الله اعلم و اعتقد انها صحيحة .
و لكن ليس فيها فخر .
و ان سلمنا بالفخر فهو فخر نسبى
و من يطعن فى نسب ابى بكر ؟؟؟؟؟
فهو من اشراف قريش و اشراف العرب .
طيب
يعنى هل نعتبر كل صحابى يفتخر بنسبه و يعترف بجد من جدوده او ابائه بان هذا يعنى تزكيتهم ؟؟؟؟؟
سبحان الله
الامام عليه السلام يذكر نسبه من امه و يوضح انه من ابى بكر
فهل هذه تزكية ؟؟؟؟
كما ان والد ابى بكر و ابنه محمد بن ابى بكر رضى الله عنهما كانا من شيعة الامام على عليه السلام و من الذين ناصروه حتى اخر نفس من انفاسهما الطيبة الطاهرة .
فقد ثبت لنا معارضة والد ابى بكر لابى بكر و طلبه الخلافة للامام على عليه السلام .
كما ان محمد بن ابى بكر غنى عن التعريف فى موقفه المتشيع الصلب للامام على عليه السلام و اهل البيت و تقديمه روحه الطاهرة فى حب اهل البيت عليهم السلام تقربا بهم الى الله و رسوله .
اذا فهذا نسب بالفعل يستحق الفخر .
و لكن لا يعنى ذلك التزكية .

يتبع ان شاء الله
اللهم صل على محمد و ال محمد
لا فتى الا على و لا سيف الا ذو الفقار


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