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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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تحياتي لك

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من فضلك دعنى اكمل الرد على ما اوردته سابقا ثم اجيبك على كل ما تريد.
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هناك نقاط جديدة في ردودك ولابد من عرض وجهة نظري فيها.

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المقصود هو سعد بن عبادة سيد الخزرج و ليس ابن معاذ رضى الله عنهما .
سِيَرُ أَعْلاَمِ النُّبَلاَءِ، الإصدار 2.02 - للإمام الذَّهبي
المُجَلَّدُ الأَوَّلُ >> [كبراء الصحابة] >> 55 - سَعْدُ بنُ عُبَادَةَ بنِ دُلَيْمِ بنِ حَارِثَةَ الأَنْصَارِيُّ.
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ما أوردته أنت تحت هذا العنوان ليس فيه شيء البتة يؤخذ على صحابة الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم. وقد اختلف في سبب وتاريخ موت سعد بن عبادة (وليس قتله لأنه لم يُقْتَل). فالبعض يقول أنه مات في خلافة الصديق والبعض يقول بل في خلافة سيدنا عمر. وإن كان لديك دليل على أنه قتل ومن قتله فآتنا به:

كنيته أبو ثابت وقد قيل أبو قيس ويقال أبو لبابة شهد بدرا والعقبة وكان نقيبا ومات لسنتين ونصف من خلافة عمر سنة خمس عشرة بالحوران من أرض الشام. (الثقات. ج3. ص148)

وخرج عن المدينة فمات بحوران من أرض الشام سنة 15 وقيل سنة 14 وقيل سنة 11 ولم يختلفوا أنه وجد ميتا في مغتسله وقال بن جريج عن عطاء سمعت أن الجن قتلته وقال عمرو بن علي وغيره مات سنة 16. (تهذيب التهذيب. ج3. ص 412)

وهو الذي يقال ان الجن قتلته. (الإكمال لابن ماكولا. ج3. ص 143)

ومرجعك يكمل بعدها ويقول:

جلس يبول في نفق فمات من ساعته ووجدوه قد اخضر جلده. (سير أعلام النبلاء. ج1. ص 270)

"سمعت، يقال، ميتًا، اخضر جلده، مات في خلافة أبي بكر، بل مات في خلافة عمر وجرى حديثًا بينه وبين عمر ": هل تفيد هذه الألفاظ والعبارات وهل يمكن أن نبني منها فهمًا ذا بال؟؟؟!!!

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روي عن أنس أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله أمره عند إقبال أبي بكر أن يبشره بالجنة وبالخلافة بعده ، وأن يبشر عمر بالجنة وبالخلافة بعد أبي بكر ، وروي عن جبير بن مطعم أن امرأة أتت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله فكلمته في شئ من أمرها فأمرها أن ترجع إليه فقالت : يا رسول الله أرأيت إن رجعت فلم أجدك ، تعني الموت قال صلى الله عليه وآله : ( إن لم تجديني فائتي أبا بكر )....الخ
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لم يرد في السنة الصحيحة شيئًا من هذا.

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أخبرنا أبو عبد الله الحافظ ثنا أبو العباس محمد بن يعقوب ثنا محمد بن خالد الحمصي ثنا بشر بن شعيب بن أبي حمزة عن أبيه عن الزهري أنبأ سالم بن عبد الله بن عمر أن عبد الله بن عمر قال ... فقال عمر أمهلوا فإن حدث بي حدث فليصل للناس صهيب مولى بني جدعان ثلاث ليال ثم أجمعوا في اليوم الثالث أشراف الناس وأمراء الأجناد فأمروا أحدكم فمن تأمر مشورة فاضربوا عنقه. (سنن البيهقي الكبرى. ج8. ص 152).
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شرحت لك هذه الرواية من قبل وذكرت لك أن سيدنا عمر جعل الأمر بين أشراف المسلمين وقادتهم، ومن حاول شق عصا الطاعة والخروج على الجماعة والدعوة للفتنة أن يقتلوه والإمام علي لم يخالف أغلبية المسلمين لأن الأغلبية اختارت أبا بكر. ولا يصلح تفسيرك أن سيدنا علي لم يعلن رفضه خوفًا على دماء المسلمين. فقد حارب معاويةَ لذات السبب. فإن قلت ان الأمر مختلف لأن هذا هو خليفة المسلمين وإمامهم، فإن ذلك ينسحب على ابنه سيدنا الحسن الذي اختار الصلح وتنازل لمعاوية. وأنت تعلم أن الآئمة في العقيدة الشيعية لا فرق بينهم، سواء كانوا آباء أو أبناء، كبار السن أو غير ذلك. فمن الذي كان على الحق: سيدنا علي أم ابنه الحسن؟!

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الغريب لا يعنى ضعيف فعلى اى اساس اعتبرتها ضعيفة ؟؟؟؟
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الحديث الغريب يمكن الحكم بضعفه ورفضه. كما أن هذه الرواية التي جاءت في فتح الباري لم ترد في كتب الأحاديث. والرواية أعلاه التي تضم تفصيلًا أكثر قد شرحتها من قبل ولا شيء فيها البتة. وإن كنت ترى شيئًا فأورده بالدليل.

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وكان أفضلهم في الإسلام كما زعمت وأنصحهم لله ولرسوله الخليفة الصديق، والخليفة الخليفة الفاروق، ولعمري إن مكانهم في الإسلام لعظيم وأن المصاب بهما لجرح في الإسلام شديد. رحمهما الله وجزاهما بأحسن ما عملا"
ف(لعمرى) هنا هى اعتراضية و ليست قسم .
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انتظر ردًّا على أسئلتي التي أثرتها من قبل بالإضافة إلى:

"رحمهما الله وجزاهما بأحسن ما عملا."

هذا دعاء على لسان سيدنا علي كما هو واضح.

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