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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
الأخ االفاضل علي نور
تحياتي

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سادع مسالة قتل سعد بن عبادة.
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نعم. هذه هي أخلاق الباحث الذي لا يبني حقائق على أوهام.

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سعد بن عبادة سيد الخزرج لم يبايع ابا بكر و لا عمر .
و الخزرج ينضمون الى سيدهم
يعنى الخزرج لم تبايع
و لذلك فان عمر عندما وضع نظام الدواوين جعل حصة الخزرج اقل من حصة الاوس .
و ليس ذلك بل ان بعض المهاجرين ايضا رفض البيعة و ساتيك بالمصدر ان شاء الله .
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سعد بن عبادة لم ثبت أنه لم يبايع وهذه حرية رأي نفتخر بها.

ولكن لا دليل على أن الخزرج لم تبايع. هذه استنتاجك أنت بنيته على أن سيدهم لم يبايع وهذا ليس شرطًا بدليل أن اليعة عارضوا سيدنا علي في كثير من الأمور حتى ندم على صحبتهم. أما كون حصة الأوس أكبر من الخزرج فربما كان هذا راجع إلى زيادة عدد الأوس عن الخزرج. هذا رأيي دون أن أرجع لمصادر لأنك المطالب بوضع مراجعك أولًا ليكون لكلامك حجة كما ذكرت أنت أعلاه.

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الامام على عليه السلام لم يبايع ستة اشهر.
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أحتاج لمصدر هذه المعلومة لأن المصادر التي بين يدي تختلف في المدة وأنت جزمت بمدة محددة وبنيت عليها فهمًا خاصًّا بك.

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السيدة الزهراء رفضت الاعتراف بخلافة ابى بكر بل انها قررت الا تكلمهما و وجدت عليهما و اوصت الامام على عليه السلام الا يخرجا فى جنازتها .
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مرجعك ومصدرك لو سمحت.

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و الرسول الاعظم يعلن ان غضب فاطمة غضب الله و رسوله .
و رضاها رضاهما .
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هذا فهم خاص بك أنت. والرسول رضي عن المهاجرين والأنصار. ورضي الله عنهم وعن الذي بايعوا الرسول تحت الشجرة ومنهم سيدنا أبي بكر وسيدنا عمر. فالمرضي عنهم كثير. ولا يعني هذا عدم اختلاف الرأي في الأمور العامة التي هو علامة صحة المجتمع وحيويته. وقد شهد سيدنا علي أن المهاجرن والأنصار هم الذي يختارون إمامهم والله يرضى عن ذلك لأنه الذي أمرهم بالشورى. وساعتها أنت قلت أن سيدنا علي يعبر عن رأيهم لا عن رأيه. أي أنك اعترفت باختيار المهاجرين والانصار لسيدنا أبي بكر.

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الامام على عليه السلام اعلن رفضه للبيعة.
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الإمام بايع. وإذا كانت الإمامة ركن يؤدي بالفرد إما إلى الجنة او النار كان على سيدنا علي أن يعلن عن ذلك. إلا أن لم يعلن البتة حتى في خلافته. بل أعلن أن المهاجرين والأنصار أحرار فيمن يختارون وأن الله يرضى لرضاهم.

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فالقتال فى هذه المرحلة خسارة للاسلام من كل الجوانب و لذلك اختار الامام الصبر و المصالحة باوامر الرسول الاعظم .
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أين مراجعك التي تؤكد هذا. وقد قاتل سيدنا علي معاوية. أما الحسن فقد صالح وبايع. كيف الإمام الذي هو بمنزلة الني والرسول يتنازل عن رسالته ويترك التبليغ حتى أن بعض الشيعة قالوا للحسن فور عقد الصلح مع معاوية "يا مذل المؤمنين" "لقد أشركت كما أشرك أبوك من قبل" (موسوعة عاشوراء ص60 + حياة الامام الحسين 2/370 + على خطى الحسين ص 38 )

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اما اعلان الرفض فقد اعلن رفضه و التف حوله مجموعة من المهاجرين و الانصار .
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مجموعة: كم بالضبط؟ 3؟ 3؟ 7 وهذا أقصى عدد تقول به المراجع الشيعية. فإن كان عندك غير هذا فآتنا به بالمرجع والمصدر.

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بالنسبة لجملة (لعمرى) فقد وضحتها لك
و ان الكلام عرض من الامام لكلام البعض عن الشيخين .
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أنت قلت أن (لعمرى) ليست قسمًا وإنما جملة اعتراضية. وهذا خطأ لغوي لا شك فيه. لأنه على افتراض أنها جملة اعتراضية فهي قسم أيضًا. ولا يمكن أن تكون جملة اعتراضية لأن المعنى سيفسد بدونها. كما أننا نسأل علام كان يقسم الإمام علي؟ وما وضع جملة الدعاء التي في آخر كلامه؟ الرجل يدعو بالرحمة للخليفتين!!! أتراه يردد دعاء معاوية!!! هل هذا رأيك في بلاغة الإمام علي وفطنته ولباقته؟؟؟!!!

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والواجب في حكم الله وحكم الإسلام على المسلمين بعدما يموت إمامهم او يقتل أن لا يعملوا عملاً ، ولا يحدثوا حدثاً ، ولا يقدموا يداً ولا رجلاً ، ولا يبدؤوا بشيء قبل أن يختاروا لأنفسهم إماماً عفيفاً ، عالماً . إن كانت الخيرة لهم ، وإن كانت الخيرة إلى الله عزوجل وإلى رسوله فإن الله قد كفاهم النظر في ذلك الاختيار ، ورسول الله صلى الله عليه واله وسلم قد رضي لهم إماماً ، وأمرهم بطاعته واتباعه
كتاب سليم : ج 2 ، ص 752 ـ 753 ، ح 25 .
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كلام سيدنا علي بن أبي طالب يلغي هذا كله. فقد شهد أن الأمر بيد المهاجرين والأنصار. وأنهم من حقهم أن يختاروا إمامهم وأن الله يرضى بذلك. وقد شهد أن الذين بايعوه هم أنفسهم الذين بايعوا أبا بكر وعمر. وهذا يكفي.

كما أن هناك أحاديث سقتها لك تشهد بصلاح الخليفتين لم أقرأ لك فيها ردًا حتى الآن. فما معنى هذا؟؟؟!!!

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