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سؤال عن( الجديد) الذي قدمه الاسلام من تعاليم روحية مؤثرة تقرب الانسان إلي الله ( أكثر )
الزعيم رقم صفر غير متصل
الميت أصلا
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المشاركات: 4,354
الانضمام: Dec 2004
مشاركة: #47
سؤال عن( الجديد) الذي قدمه الاسلام من تعاليم روحية مؤثرة تقرب الانسان إلي الله ( أكثر )
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god help us كتب/كتبت

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لا تضع كلام وتأخذ في التفسيرات لم اقولها , ما قلته واضح في هذه النقطة ولا داعي للتكرار
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ما قلته زميلى العزيز واضح و لكنه غير مقنع كما انه لا ينفعى عن الاسلام انه جاء بجديد فى صلاة الفجر

و انى اتعجب من عدم قبولك المناقشه لادلتك و كلامك و كانه مسلم به
اذا كنت لن اناقش ادلتك و كلامك فما الداعى للحوار اذن ؟....سبحان الله ...


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الصلوات موجودة , في الدير يصلونها بكنيسة الدير , ومن يريد أن يذهب يذهب ومن لا تسمح ظروفه لا يوجد فرض أن تٌصلي هذه الصلوات ( اليومية ) بالكنيسة ( كلا حسب ظروفه ) ومن لا تسمح ظروفه يمكنه أن يصليها بالبيت , كما سبق وأن ذكرت كلام السيد المسيح ( ادخل مخدعك وأغلق بابك وصلي إلي ابيك الذي يري في الخفاء
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النص الوارد فى اخر المقطع لا علاقه له باوله لان النص يامرك ان تصلى فى بيتك و انت تتحدث عن شئ اختيارى فى حين ان النص لم يطلب منك الصلاه فى الكنيسه و انماامرا بالصلاه فى المخدع يعنى حجرة النوم



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قلنا فرض بمعني ان الصلوات اليومية لا يشترط ان تٌصلي بالكنيسة , كلا حسب ظروفه ( وليس مفروض علي الناس ان يصلوها بالكنيسة )

يمكن أن يصلوا بالبيت
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اين الدليل على عدم الاشتراطات تلك و حسب الظروف اين الدليل على ذلك ؟


اقتباس:
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( اتمني اننا نخلص من القصة دي )
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ايه ده ؟



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زميلي الفاضل
بكل المحبة اذا لم يكن لديك ما تقدمه فلا يوجد مشكلة أبدا , لكن هذه ليست طريقة حوار
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قدمت لك الجديد فاعتبرته ليس جديدا استنادا الى بعض الطقوس المطبقه عندك و التى تختلف مع التعاليم الاسلاميه و قد تشابه فى بعض نقاط قليله الا ان الاختلاف كبير جدا و حتى لا دليل عليه من كتابك


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لقد وضعت لك الرابط به السبع صلوات التي تصليها الكنيسة ( الشعب المسيحي ) يوميا
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هل الشعب المسيحى هو من يضع تشريعات الدين ؟



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لا داعي ندخل في مضيعة للوقت بأن هل التسابيح تعني الصلوات أو لا تعني
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و هل تطلب منى ان اسلم بصحة استدلالاتك الخاطئه ؟
ان تتكلم و تثبت صحة كلامك بنصوص لا تدل على صحته
طيب عاوزنى اقولك ايه .....


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قلت لك سابقا إننا نصلي صلاة باكر في الصباح الباكر , اذا يوجد لدينا صلاة في الصباح الباكر منذ القرون الاولي
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يا عزيزى
اولا انت تقارن ما بين كلمات و ليس ما بين حقائق
لان تعريف و طريقة الصلاه عندك يختلف تماما عن طريقتها فى الاسلام

فقد اوردت لك طريقا محددا و توقيتا محددا للصلاه فى الاسلام

و انت كل ماارودته مجموعة كلمات لا تدلل على ما تقوم به من مناسك

طيب فلنناقش ما قلت

عندك صلاه فى الصباح الباكر
هل يلزمها وضوء ..؟

هل توقيتها محدد ؟

هل يلزم ان تكون فى المسجد ؟

هل خطواتها محدده ؟

هل يلزمها ان يكون لردائك مواصفات محدده ؟

هل كلامها محدد ؟

من فضلك عند الاجابه اسندها بادله واضحه و دقيقه و لا تقول لى كلام مرسل ولا تضع لى روابط من فضلك


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أما الوضوء وغيرها من عادات فلا علاقة لها بما نتحدث عنه
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لا صلاة بدون وضوء ...كيف نفصل الوضوء ... اقول لك انك بدأ من الوضوء بنية الصلاة تبدا فى الشعور بالقرب من الله سبحانه و تعالى و تبدا اول مراحل هزيمة الشيطان


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يوجد صلوات ثابتة بالكنيسة ( للجماعة )

مثل القداسات والاجتماعات الخاصة بكل مرحلة
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اين الدليل على ما سبق من الكتاب المقدس عن مواعيد تلك الصلوات الثابته و عن وجوب كونها جماعيه


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أنا أتكلم معك عن كيف نعيش حياتنا
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يا زلى العزيز نحن لا نبحث فى طرق الحياه البشريه فان اتباع بوذا يصلون ايضا و عباد النار يصلون

نحن نبحث فى مصادر الدين و ليس سلوك البشر


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سامحني زميلي للان لم تقدم شيئا للموضوع
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يا عزيزى بل قدمت لك الجديد و انت تحاول جاهدا ان تثبت انه ليس بجديدعن طريق الكلامالمرسل او الادله الضعيفه جدا جدا


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12-12-2004, 06:20 PM
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