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سؤال عن( الجديد) الذي قدمه الاسلام من تعاليم روحية مؤثرة تقرب الانسان إلي الله ( أكثر )
الزعيم رقم صفر غير متصل
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سؤال عن( الجديد) الذي قدمه الاسلام من تعاليم روحية مؤثرة تقرب الانسان إلي الله ( أكثر )

السيد god help you

بعد التحيه

بعد قراءه متأنيه فى النصوص المنشوره من قبلك بخصوص الصلاه نخرج بالاتى
اولا ان مفهوم الصلاه عندك هو مفهوم هلامى غير محدد

فلا حدود بين التسابيح و بين الصلوات فاختلط الكل بالكل

ان مفهومالصلاه طول الوقت يفتح الباب لاسئله كثيره ....فهل من لا يصلى طول الوقت على حق ام ان الصحيح هو الصلاه طوال الوقت......!

وهل يجب الصلاه و نحن فى التواليت مثلا ؟

كيف نصلى و نحن نائمون ؟

و ما هى كيفية تلك الصلاة التى تصلح لطوال الوقت ؟

ما سبق نموذج للمثال و ليس للحصر



اقتباس: god help us كتب/كتبت



[QUOTE]في العهد القديم وكما ذكرنا بعض مزامير لداؤد النبي
كان يصلي باكرا , ونصف الليل وثم سبع مرات في اليوم

هل يوجد دليلا ان صلاة داود هى النموذج الذى يجب عليك ان تقوم به ؟ هذا طبعا بغض النظر عن قصة داود مع قائد جيشه اورايا و هل يصلح ان تكون تصرفاته نموذجا يحتذى به ام لا ....:loveya:


اقتباس:ثم جاء السيد المسيح بكمال الوصية ففال صلوا كل حين ( لو 18 : 1 )

كيف يصلي الانسان كل حين ؟؟؟

الصلاة فضيلة , ولكي تنمو فيها تحتاج إلي تدريب والي جهاد والي تعب لكي يعطينا الله قوة ونعمة للتغلب علي الكسل وحروب الشيطان التي تمنع الصلاة

عليك نوووووووووووووور ...طيب فقهمنا بقى كيفية الصلاه دى اللى تحتاج الى تدريب و جهاد و الى تعب...يعنى وضح لنا كدا التعب و الجهاد:lol2:

اقتباس:السيد المسيح أعطي الوصية ,,
وترك للاباء الرسل تنظيم مواعيد الصلاة وتشجيع المؤمنين وإرشادهم لكي ينمو في حياة الصلاة

اعطنى دليلا ان المسيح ترك للاباء تنظيم مواعيد الصلاه و كيفيتها


اقتباس:يوجد الصلاة الجماعية , ةيقول عنها السيد المسيح , اذا إجتمع إثنين أو ثلاثة بإسمي فهناك اكون في وسطهم

ما علاقة النص السابق بالصلاه؟؟؟؟ اين الصلاه فيما سبق ؟ :confused:


اقتباس:يقول القديس بولس (1 كو 14 : 26 )
متي إجتمعتم , فكل واحدمنكم له مزمور

ما علاقة ما سبق بالصلاه ؟

اقتباس:ايضا بجانب هذه الصلوات اليومية ( صلاة الزامير و قطع من الكتاب ) يوجد صلوات الخاصة

أي أن يقف الانسان أمام الله ويقول ما يريد بدون التقيّد بنص معين

نريد دليلا على تعريف الصلاه الخاصه و انهابالصوره التى سبق و ذكرتها

اقتباس:بجانب قرأة الكتاب المقدس كلا حسب وقته يقرأ إصحاح أو إصحاحين أو حتي بعض آيات
هل قراءة الكتاب المقدس هى الصلاه ؟؟ دليل ؟

اقتباس:بجانب صلوات قصيرة يمكن أن يقولها( في سره ) إثناء سيره بالشارع أو إثناء ركوبه المواصلات مثل ,,

هل نفهم مما سبق ان الصلاه عندك عباره عن مجموعه من الاقوال تردد فى اى مكان و فى اى وقت ؟

اقتباس:أو يقول أحد المزامير أو الآيات التي يتاثر بها , دون أن يشعر به احد

فقرات نشيد الانشاد تؤثر فى مشاعرى فهل تصلح للصلاه ؟

اقتباس:(( كل هذا لكي يصل إلي كمال الوصية وهو الصلاة كل حين ,, أو الصلاة بلا إنقطاع )))

أتمني أن تكون قد وضحت الامور الان

لن تتضح الامور بل ازدادت تعقيدا لان ما اوردته من نصوص و ردود لا علاقه له بصلاة الفجر سوى اسم صلاة باكر فقط لا غير




اقتباس:أٌكرر , السيد المسيح وضع كمال الوصية , وترك تنفيذها وترتيبها للاباء الرسل ومن بعدهم

اكرر ...دليييييييييييل :angry:


اقتباس:وماذا لو لم يتمكن المؤمن من صلاة الفجر في موعدها لظروف ماأو لم يصليها في المسجد مثلا ؟؟؟ سيكون وقتها قد كفر بالله ورسوله ,, !!!
لا لن يكفر لان الكفر فى الاسلام له توصيف دقيق و اسباب محدده ترك صلاة الفجر ليس من بينها و لكن سيفقد ما سالت عنه انت فى موضوعك الا و هو الشعر بالقرب من الله كما انه سيفقد ثوابا عظيما و لكنه لن يصبح كافرا:present:

اقتباس:نحن مطلوب أن تكون الصلاة هي حياتنا ( كل حين )

لم تعطينى تعريفا محددا ولا توصيفا للصلاه عندك مستندا الى الكتاب المقدس



اقتباس:ما يلزم كل صلاة الاتي: ولنأخذ مثلا صلاة باكر

أولا يجب أن يكون نظيف جسديا ( لان النظافة الجسدية تعطي تهيئة للصلاة ,

يغسل وجهه لكي يستيقظ جيدا ,

:25: منين الكلام ده ....منين ؟؟؟ :25::25:



اقتباس:( وكل الصلوات مصدرها الكتاب المقدس )
هل قصة اهولا و اهوليبا تعتبر صلاه ؟


اقتباس:وبدأ الاباء الرسل وتلاميذهم في ترتيب وتنظيم الصلوات وتشجيع المؤمنين محاولة للوصول لهذا الكمال , منها اليومي , منها الاسبوعي

منها المشترك بالكنيسة ( جماعة ) ومنها الفردي ,,

دليلا على ان ما فعله الاباء الرسل هم الصح الذى يبتغيه الرب منك

اقتباس:نحن نعيش حياتنا وصلواتنا ( من الكتاب المقدس ) وبصلوات وطلبات لا تتعاض مع روح الكتاب , وهذا الفرق بيننا وبين غيرنا
مين اللى قالك ان حياتك يجب ان تتفق مع روح الكتاب و ليس مع الكتاب نفسه ؟

مين اللى قال ان روح الكتاب هى السند ؟

هل تقصد ان كلام الرب اليك هو شئ ثانوى و المهم تقديرك انت فى روح النص ؟
سامحني زميلي للان لم تقدم شيئا للموضوع


اقتباس:صدقني لا يوجد شيء جديد يستحق أن أحاول جاهدا أناثبت عكسه

للان تتكلم عن مواعيد ولم تتلكم عن جوهر التعاليم

سأتعامل مع روح كلامك السابق و اعتبر انك فعلا وجدت جديدا فى روح كلامى :23:
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