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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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رُحَمَاء بَيْنَهُمْ
فهم لا يدوسون من رفض بيعتهم
و لا يهددون من يرفض بيعتهم من الصحابة او اهل البيت بحرق بيت فاطمة عليها السلام و هم
معتصمون فيه ....
و لا يقتلون الاف المسلمين
و لا يذبحون الاطفال
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إذا رضعت معلومات خطأ لابد ان يكون نتاجك كذلك. أنت تقتبس من كلام "سليم بن قيس الهلالي" ويبدو أنك لا تعرفه ولا تعرف أبان بن أبي عياش.

اقرأ من هو سليم بن قيس في كتابه:

"ولد سليم قبل الهجرة بسنتين، وكان عمره عند وفاة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله اثنتي عشرة سنة. ولم يأت المدينة زمن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله ولا زمن أبي بكر، وإنما دخلها شابا في أوائل إمارة عمر قبل السنة 16 الهجرية."
"لا خبر عندنا عن أوائل نشأة سليم حتى الرابعة عشرة من عمره، إلا أن ما رواه في الحديث 39 من كتابه عن أبي سعيد الخدري يدل على أنه لم يكن في المدينة في فترة حياة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله، كما أنه لم يرو أي حديث يدل على رؤيته لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله أو حضوره في المدينة في عصره."
"كذلك لم يكن سليم في المدينة في فترة خلافة أبي بكر من سنة 10 إلى 13.
فقد روى أحداث السقيفة وما جرى بعد وفاة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله عن أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام، وعن سلمان وأبي ذر والمقداد وابن عباس، والبراء بن عازب، كما لا يوجد ما يدل على التقائه بأبي بكر أو وجوده في المدينة إلى آخر عهده.
كان سليم حاضرا في المدينة أو كان يختلف إليها شابا بعد انقضاء عهد أبي بكر وفي أول إمارة عمر حدود سنة 14 هجرية." ..انتهى

http://aqaed.com/shialib/books/02/solaim_a...olaim_a-05.html

. ربما تصيح وتقول: "لا. لقد التقى أمير المؤمنين وعددًا من الآئمة"... أقول لك: هذا كلامه في كتابه هو. ببساطة ادعى أنه قابل الآئمة المعصومين وبدا من خلال زعمه هذا يضع الروايات ليضرب الإسلام بالفكر بعد أن فشلوا في ضربه عسكريًا. وقد حدث هذا في بعض الأديان السابقة على الإسلام ولا داعي للتسمية والتحديد.
واعلم أن هذا الكتاب لم يأتنا عن سليم بن قيس الهلالي مباشرة. بل كتبه وعند مماته في 90 هـ كما تقول الروايات سلمه لشخص يدعى أبان بن أبي عياش. (البرقي/ الرجال: ص 3-4، الطوسي/ الفهرست: ص 111، الأردبيلي/ جامع الرواة: 1/374، رجال الكشي: ص 167، رجال الحلي: ص 82، 83).

وقد أكثر الشيعة من مدح الكتاب وتوثيقه إذ يروون عن أبي عبد الله أنه قال فيه:

"من لم يكن عنده من شيعتنا ومحبينا كتاب سليم ابن قيس الهلالي فليس عنده من أمرنا شيء ولا يعلم من أسبابنا شيئاً، وهو أبجد الشيعة وهو سر من أسرار آل محمد صلى الله عليه وآله" مقدمة كتاب سليم بن قيس ص: 4، أغا بزرك الطهراني/ الذريعة: 2/152، هامش وسائل الشيعة: 2/42 رقم (4).

وقال النعماني:

"وليس بين جميع الشيعة ممن حمل العلم ورواه عن الأئمة - عليهم السلام - خلاف في أن كتاب سليم بن قيس الهلالي أصل من أكبر كتب الأصول التي رواه أهل العلم وحملة حديث أهل البيت - عليهم السلام وأقدمها، لأن جميع ما اشتمل عليه الأصل إنما هو عن رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم - وأمير المؤمنين، والمقداد، وسلمان الفارسي، وأبي ذر ومن جرى مجراهم ممن شهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وأمير المؤمنين عليه السلام وسمع منهما، وهو من الأصول التي ترجع الشيعة إليها وتعول عليها". (النعماني/ الغيبية ص 61ط. الأعلمي بيروت، وص47 ط. إيران، وسائل الشيعة: 20-210).

وقال المجلسي:

"وهو أصل من أصول الشيعة وأقدم كتاب صنف في الإسلام"

ثم أورد المجلسي أربع روايات لهم تفيد أن علياً ابن الحسين قرئ عليه الكتاب وقال: "صدق سليم" (بحار الأنوار: 1/156-158، رجال الكشي: ص 104-105).

ومن ثم أصبح هذا الكتاب عمدة عند متأخري الشيعة كما قرره المجلسي في البحار [بحار الأنوار: 1/32.]، والحر العاملي في الوسائل [وسائل الشيعة: 20/210.] وغيرهما.

لكن اكتشف الشيعة بعد ذلك أن هذا الكتاب يؤكد أن الآئمة 13 إمامًا بالضبط وليس 12. وهذا كفيل بهدم هذه العقيدة رأسًا على عقب. ومنهم من احتج بما جاء في هذا الكتاب أن الأئمة ثلاثة عشر مع زيد بن علي بن الحسين: إن الأئمة اثنا عشر من ولد أمير المؤمنين" (رجال النجاشي: ص343). ومن هنا بدأ الشك يأخذ مجراه في أول كتاب عقائدي شيعي في التاريخ. فمن متقدمي الشيعة من قال: "إن سليماً لا يُعْرَف ولا ذُكِرَ في خبر" [رجال الحلي: ص83]. وفريق منهم قرر أن "الكتاب موضوع لا مرية فيه" [المصدر السابق. نفس الموضع، ابن داود/ الرجال: ص 413، 414].

فبدأوا يتحدثون عن كتاب سليم بن قيس بأنه وجملة أخرى من كتبهم موضوعة (أي مكذوبة على من نسبت إليه) لغرض صحيح [الشعراني. تعليقات علمية على الكافي مع شرحه للمازراني. 2/373-374]

فأخذوا يظهرون عيوب الكتاب وأدلة تزويره فقالوا: إنه خالف التاريخ بقوله: "إن محمد بن أبي بكر وعظ أباه عند الموت لأنه غصب الإمامة من علي" مع أن محمد بن أبي بكر ولد في سنة حجة الوداع فكيف يعظ أباه وعمره ثلاث سنوات [الخوانساري/ روضات الجنات: 4/67، رجال الحلي: ص83]، كما أنه جعل الأئمة ثلاث عشر، وقالوا: أن أسانيد الكتاب مختلفة مضطربة [رجال الحلي: ص83، الخوانساري/ روضات الجنات: 4/67، ابن داود/ الرجال: ص 413-414.]، واتهموا في وضع الكتاب أبان بن أبي عياش [رجال الحلي: ص206، ابن داود/ الرجال: ص413-414.].
وفريق منهم عز عليه أن يفرط في هذا الكتاب الذي يعد الأصل الأول للعقيدة الشيعية فمنه نشأت وتطورت. فقال هذا الفريق: "والوجه عندي الحكم بتعديل المشار إليه والتوقف في الفاسد من كتابه" [رجال الحلي: ص83، وسائل الشيعة: 20/210]
فرأوا القيام بعمل جذري ينهي المشكلة التي أقلقتهم من أساسها فقاموا بتعديل الكتاب ليتلاءم والعقيدة الشيعية.
وأشار الخوانساري إلى التغيير في الكتاب فقال: "إن ما وصل إلينا من نسخ الكتاب هو أن عبد الله بن عمر وعظ أباه عند الموت" [روضات الجنات: 4/69.]. وقال الحر العاملي: "والذي وصل إلينا من نسخه ليس فيه شيء فاسد، ولا شيء مما استدل به على الوضع" [وسائل الشيعة: 20/210]. وعندما تقرأ الكتاب بشكله الحالي لن تجد فيه أيًّا من هذه المساويء التي ذكرها علماء الشيعة في كتبهم المعتمدة. لقد أجروا تغييرًا وتعديلًا في متن الكتاب وقاموا بتنقيحه.

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