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عفوا قبل ان انسى :
سانقل لك ان شاء الله نصا يثبت لك اين تركزت شيعة الامام على عليه السلام:
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أرفض هذا المصدر ورفضي هنا مبني على أسس علمية هي:

1- أنني قدمت لك مراجع شيعية فلابد أن يكون ردك من مراجع شيعية أيضًا. إنني أحتج عليك من مراجع من قلب عقيدتك فلابد أن يكون جوابك منها أيضًا. فمثلًا أنت في هذه المداخلات تحتج بما جاء في البداية والنهاية لابن كثير. ومعنى هذا أنني مُلْزَم من الناحية العلمية أن يكون ردي من خلال مراجع أهل السنة والجماعة. وإذا استشهدت بمراجع شيعية فعلى سبيل الاستئناس لا الإلزام. وقد وضحت هذا الأمر من قبل وأنا أرد على الفاضل "رحمة". وهذا السبب يكفي تمامًا أن أعتبر مرجعك هذا في هذه النقطة كأن لم يكن.

2- أن لفظة "شيعة" علي عند أهل السنة والجماعة (أي في مصادرهم) تعني الذين كانوا يؤيدون سيدنا علي ولا تعني البتة إيمانهم بعقيدة الإمامة والآئمة الاثنى عشر أو الثلاثة عشر أو بغضهم لأبي بكر وعمر وعثمان والسيدة عائشة. بل إنني بناء على مراجع أهل السنة والجماعة أقول "شيعة نادي مانشستر" أي مؤيدوه ومشجعوه. ولعلمك أنا من "شيعة نادي الأهلي المصري". (على قدنا)

3- ويقال : إن بسراً قتل خلقاً من شيعة علي في مسيره هذا، وهذا الخبر مشهور عند أصحاب المغازي والسير، وفي صحته عندي نظر والله تعالى أعلم.

إذا جاءت "يُقَال" وامثالها فلا حجة في خبرها. فهذه ضروب من الظن والشك.

4- فلما دخل بسر اليمن قتله وقتل ابنه .

بسر هنا احتل اليمن وهو ضد سيدنا علي الذي أرسل له سرية من ألفي مقاتل فهرب منهم. ومعنى هذا عدم وجود ألفي شيعي في اليمن يقاومون بسر فيهرب مثلما هرب من سرية سيدنا علي.

5- وأقام عندهم ثم خرج منصرفاً إلى الكوفة ، وعاد أبو هريرة يصلي بهم.

الكوفة هي المركز الرئيسي كما ترى وعلى من يؤمن بإمامة سيدنا علي التي هي الفيصل في دخول الجنة أو ولوج النار أن يتبعه ويقاتل معه ويلتف حوله هناك في الكوفة.

لذا فما زلت في انتظار مرجع ومصدر شيعي يؤكد أن الجيش الذي كان يقاتل به سيدنا علي ليس من شيعته بل هم مجموعة من المرتشين والمرتزقة الذين يقاتلون بلا عقيدة، ويؤكد أن شيعة سيدنا علي هم القواعد في بيوتهم في مصر واليمن والمدينة.

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فانطلق جابر إلى أم سلمة فقال لها: ماذا ترين إني خشيت أن أقتل وهذه بيعة ضلالة؟
فقالت: أرى أن تبايع فإني قد أمرت ابني عمر وختني عبد الله بن زمعة - وهو زوج ابنتها زينب - أن يبايعا فأتاه جابر فبايعه.
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لفظة "ضلالة" هنا تعني "خطأ" في نظر قائلها ولا تعني أبدًا النفاق والشرك والكفر وإلا لما عارضته أم سلمة. فهو تعبير الناخبين عن أرائهم. ثم إن هذا ليس بقول الله ورسوله. ومن ثم لا يعتد به.
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