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بمناسبة مولد خير البرية (أيها العلمانيون العرب أحبوا نبيكم وإسلامكم)
اقتباس:  Beautiful Mind   كتب/كتبت  
أفهم يا آتماكا و لا تكن عاطفيا و منفعلا بتلك الطريقة ..
الفرق بين الرأي و السباب كبير .. لا تحتاج المسالة إلي قوة نظر.
ما قاله جود فازر مثلا هو رأي مسبب ..
يعني محمد مجرم .. لماذا ؟ لأنه قتل الكثيرين و إعتدى على الكثيرين.
قد تنكر أنت هذا ..
قد تعتبر أنت ان له تبريرا معقولا على أساس أنهم كفار أو أنه كان يدافع عن الإسلام مثلا ..
لا مشاكل .. و لكن كما انك حين تقول ان محمد نبي و ليس مجرم ليس مدحا بل هو راي مبرر أيضا  
بغض النظر عن منطقية أو صحة التبريرين في الحالتين فإن لكليكما راي مختلف .. هل تلك مشكلة كبيرة في رايك ؟
و حين يقول ان محمد مغتصب و زاني أطفال .. فأظن أنه يعني مضاجعة فتاة قاصر و هي عائشة و بعمر 9 سنوات, بعد أن تزوجها في السادسة.
هو لديه مبرر ..
ربما تنكر الحادثة ..
ربما تعتقد أنها كانت 23 سنة و معاها بكالريوس كمان ..
ربما تعتقد ان بنات العرب ينضجن و يقوين على المضاجعة في سن 9  
ربما لديك تبرير منطقي او غير منطقي .. تلك مسالة أخرى.
و لكن لديك تبريرك و تستطيع أن تعبر عن رايك بكامل حرية ..
طبعا عليك ان تقبل بنفس الشئ لرأي جود فازر الذي يعاكس رأيك تماما ..
اما ان تقول عقول زبالة و اخلاق زبالة .. فتلك تعبيرات غير مبررة و غير واقعية اصلا.
يعني سيبك من كلام لوجيكال بتاع الشخصيات العامة و الخاصة مادمت لم تفهمه او تحترمه و مادام لم يعجبك او تقبله ..
سب و إشتم كما تشاء و لكن قل كلاما هادئا و مبررا ...
قل دلائل و براهين .. او حتى تبرير مباشر للسباب لا أكثر.
يعني مثلا لو كنت شاهدت عقولهم تستخدم كصفائح في هيئة النظافة تستطيع ان تقول ان عقولهم زبالة ..
اما أن تقول شيئا بلا تبرير أو برهان فقط لانه جرح احاسيسك المتعلقة بشخص لم تتعود أن يجرح امامك ..
أتصور أن هذا خطؤك أنت ..
نستطيع أن نخدش محمد و نجرحه بسبب مبررات نصدقها و لا ندعيها ..
ثم إن في بلدك و في صحفك و كل وسائل إعلامك لا يمكن لاحد أن يمس نبيك بحرف ..
فقط في النادي يمكن ..
ألا يكفيك العالم الحقيقي الرسمي و تطمع في السيطرة على العالم الإفتراضي أيضا بعقائدك ..
لا تكن طماعا ...
ثم إن الأمر لا يستحق أن تخسر شخصا لمجرد فضفضة بسيطة ..
لا تكن بسكويتا ..
حرية الرأي تحتملهما و لا تحتملك ..
عليك أن تفهم حريةو الراي لكي يستوعبك العالم المتحضر ..
أو لكي تعتبر نفسك متحضرا لو كان هذا يهمك.
سلام.


يا \"العقل الجميل\" أفتح قلبك يسوع بيحبك .. يعنى ايه؟؟

يعنى كلامك هذا يمكن ان تستغفل به عقول الاطفال فى الكنائس إنما هنا نادى فكر وليس نادى بطيخ ..
أنت رأيك ببساطة ان اقول رأيى \" باى طريقة سباب شتائم بطيخ اى حاجة \" ولكن ادعمها بتبرير .. يعنى المشكلة فى التبرير والاسباب .. طيب ياسيدى انا ارى ان عقولهم زبالة لما تحتويه هذه العقول من مخلفات فكرية واضحة للعميان وليس للعيان ؟؟؟ ما رايك ينفع التبرير ده ؟؟؟ مبسوط كده ؟؟ أفتح قلبك بقا .. !


اقتباس:Beautiful Mind كتب/كتبت
و لكن لديك تبريرك و تستطيع أن تعبر عن رايك بكامل حرية ..
طبعا عليك ان تقبل بنفس الشئ لرأي جود فازر الذي يعاكس رأيك تماما ..

طيب افتح قلبك عشان عايز اقولك ان حرية الراى تكون بأحترام \"بدون استفزاز\" .. ومحاورك عليه ان يحترم شخصك وعقيدتك وان لم تحترم محاورك فلاتبكى اذا رد عليك رد قاسى بنفس اسلوبك فلماذا تستنكر ما تفعله انت بنفسك ؟؟؟

لنفرض ان جاد فاذر مسيحى ... هل يقبل ان اقول له كلمات مستفزة ؟ امثال \" يسوعك\" .. \"ربك مصلوب ومضروب على قفاه \" الى اخره ؟؟ هل يقبل هذا ام يستنكر علي الفعل ؟؟؟

معقولة هل عقولكم عاجزة عن استيعاب ذلك الامر البديهى ؟؟

عندما ياتى هذا الجاد فاذر ليقول ان رسولك يا آتماكا مغتصب وزانى وووو الى اخره من الدرر , هل هذه حرية راى ام استفزاز ؟؟؟

هل تلبسون الحق بالباطل ام ماذا بالظبط ؟؟؟

اذا كان رايه ان اشرف الخلق مغتصب فليقل رايه باسلوب محترم ناقداً نقد موضوعى غير مستفز وطبعاً الاساليب واضحة للجميع اذا كانت مستفزة ام لا ..

ولكن لا تستنكر على ما قلته له فهو من بدأ .. هل ترضى يا ايها العقل الجميل ان اصفعك على وجهك ثم اقول لك ان هذه حرية رأى وتعبير ؟؟ احا يعنى بجد ماذا تفعلون وماذا تقولون وماذا تهببون ؟؟ (اعتذر عن هذا التعبير ولكن طفح الكيل ).

انه تخلف بل احقر انواع التخلف والزبالة الفكرية .

شكراً (f)

تقول :


اقتباس:Beautiful Mind كتب/كتبت
نستطيع أن نخدش محمد و نجرحه بسبب مبررات نصدقها و لا ندعيها ..
ثم إن في بلدك و في صحفك و كل وسائل إعلامك لا يمكن لاحد أن يمس نبيك بحرف ..
فقط في النادي يمكن ..
ألا يكفيك العالم الحقيقي الرسمي و تطمع في السيطرة على العالم الإفتراضي أيضا بعقائدك ..
لا تكن طماعا ...

ياسيدى اذن فلتمنع الإدارة المسلمين من المشاركة فى النادى ؟؟؟؟

هل تعقل يا \"العقل الجميل\"ام تلقى الكلام على عواهنه ؟؟؟

النادى يسمح بمشاركة المسلمين يعنى هل نشارك نشتم معكم محمداً ؟؟ ما هذا الهراء يا \"العقل الجميل\" قليلاً من التعقل لن يضر ...!

انا قلت للادرة قبل ذلك اذا كانت لاتريد مشاركة المسلمين فلتضع هذا فى قوانين النادى إنما لا تسمحوا لنا بالمشاركة وفى نفس الوقت تمنعوننا من الدفاع عن اعز مقدساتنا .

تقول :

اقتباس:Beautiful Mind كتب/كتبت
حرية الرأي تحتملهما و لا تحتملك ..
عليك أن تفهم حريةو الراي لكي يستوعبك العالم المتحضر ..
أو لكي تعتبر نفسك متحضرا لو كان هذا يهمك.
سلام


يا ايها العقل الجميل لقد بدأت اشك فى جمال عقلك .
انا لا اريد التحضر الذى شاهدته فى هذا الموضوع بل تحضر دينى وعقيدتى .. وانا اكثر من يفهم العالم المتحضر لإختلاطى به ولكن " قمامات الفكر" هم من لايفهمون التحضر يا ايها "العقل الجميل" ويخلطون بين "قلة الادب" وحرية الراى .

افهموا مرة فى حياتكم لن يضركم الفهم .

وقالوا لو كنا نسمع أو نعقل ما كنا في أصحاب السعير (الملك : 10).

والحمد لله رب العالمين ..
04-13-2006, 09:55 PM
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