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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
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من هم اهل البيت عليهم السلام ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
الأخ الفاضل على نور

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لو ان الجندى حمل هذه القنبلة و قائده امره ان لا يحمل القنبلة و لكنه رفض الانصياع للقائد فان هذا الجندى خائن و فعلته فاحشة لانه عصى الاوامر ممن هو قائد له و عصى اوامر مولاه
و النية الحسنة لا تبرر عصيان الاوامر و التسبب بالكوارث .
لا ادرى كيف تسمى ما فعلوه اصلاحا ان كان الرسول الاعظم يسميه ظلما ؟؟؟؟ و متى كان الظلم اصلاحا
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سيدنا علي لم يأمر ولم ينه في هذا الشأن. ومن ثم ما بنيته من نتائج لا يلتفت إليه.

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لا ادرى كيف تسمى ما فعلوه اصلاحا.
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لم نسمه كذلك. نسميه النية للإصلاح.

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فقال: ((يا زبير أما والله لتقاتلنَّه وأنت ظالم له)).
فقال الزُّبير: بلى والله لقد نسيته منذ سمعته من رسول الله صلَّى الله عليه وسلَّم ثمَّ ذكرته الآن والله لا أقاتلك..... الخ

وهذا غريب كالسِّياق الذي قبله.

فلاحظ ان الرسول الاعظم اقسم ان الزبير يقاتل الامام على عليه السلام
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كيف ألاحظ وأتدبر حكاية غريبة السياق كسابقتها وأنها اختلفت مع روايات أخر. وسط الروايات الغريبة والمختلفة لا يمكن أن تبني حقائق. إنما من عدة مراجع ومصادر يمكن أن نكوِّن صورة معقولة وخطوط عامة بحيث تتفق فيها كل الروايات. لكن مادام هناك اختلاف فلا إلزام. وهذا ما يأخذ به القاضي عند الحكم. إذا اختلفت أقوال أصحاب الشأن في القضية اختلافًا بينًّا حكم بالبراءة على الفور.

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ومن طريق قيس بن أبي حازم قال: لما أقبلت عائشة فنزلت بعض مياه بني عامر نبحت عليها الكلاب فقالت: أي ماء هذا؟ قالوا: الحوأب - بفتح الحاء المهملة وسكون الواو بعدها همزة ثم موحدة - قالت ما أظنني إلا راجعة، فقال لها بعض من كان معها: بل تقدمين فيراك المسلمون فيصلح الله ذات بينهم، فقالت: إن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لنا ذات يوم: كيف بإحداكن تنبح عليها كلاب الحوأب. وأخرج هذا أحمد وأبو يعلى والبزار وصححه ابن حبان والحاكم وسنده على شرط الصحيح.
وعند أحمد: فقال لها الزبير، تقدمين فذكره.
ومن طريق عصام بن قدامة عن عكرمة عن ابن عباس أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لنسائه: أيتكن صاحبة الجمل الأدبب - بهمزة مفتوحة ودال ساكنة ثم موحدتين الأولى مفتوحة - تخرج حتى تنبحها كلاب الحوأب يقتل عن يمينها وعن شمالها قتلى كثيرة وتنجو من بعدما كادت.
وهذا رواه البزار ورجاله ثقات.
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6732 أخبرنا عمران بن موسى بن مجاشع قال حدثنا عثمان بن أبي شيبة قال حدثنا وكيع وعلي بن مسهر عن إسماعيل عن قيس قال لما أقبلت عائشة مرت ببعض مياه بني عامر طرقتهم ليلا فسمعت نباح الكلاب فقالت أي ماء هذا قالوا ماء الحوأب قالت ما أظنني إلا راجعة قالوا مهلا يرحمك الله تقدمين فيراك المسلمون فيصلح الله بك قالت ما أظنني إلا راجعة إني سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول كيف بإحداكن تنبح عليها كلاب الحوأب. (ابن حبان)


4613 حدثنا أبو عبد الله محمد بن يعقوب الحافظ ثنا محمد بن عبد الوهاب العبدي ثنا يعلى بن عبيد ثنا إسماعيل بن أبي خالد عن قيس بن أبي حازم قال ثم لما بلغت عائشة رضي الله عنها بعض أخذها بني عامر نبحت عليها الكلاب فقالت أي ماء هذا قالوا الحوأب قالت ما أظنني إلا راجعة فقال الزبير لا بعد تقدمي ويراك الناس ويصلح الله ذات بينهم قالت ما أظنني إلا راجعة سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول كيف بإحداكن إذ نبحتها كلاب الحوأب. (المستدرك)

37771 حدثنا أبو أسامة قال حدثنا إسماعيل عن قيس قال لما بلغت عائشة بعض مياه بني عامر ليلا نبحت الكلاب عليها فقالت أي ماء هذا قالوا ماء الحوأب فوقفت فقالت ما أظنني إلا راجعة فقال لها طلحة والزبير مهلا رحمك الله بل تقدمين فيراك المسلمون فيصلح الله ذات بينهم قالت ما أظنني إلا راجعة إني سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لنا ذات يوم كيف بإحداكن تنبح عليها كلاب الحوأب. (مصنف ابن أبي شيبة)

الحديث لم ترد فيه أي لفظة دالة دلالة قاطعة على وجود خطر حقيقي. والسيدة عائشة أجابت على السؤال بأنها سوف ترجع. فذكروها بأن الهدف هو الإصلاح وهو خير. فاختارت المضي في طريقها. وقد أوردتَ أنت اقتناع الزبير فترك الساحة ورحل. ولو كان هذا الحديث فيه شيء لفعلوا ذلك كلهم أجمعون. إن أسلوب كلام الرسول يدل على حرية التصرف من جانب المخاطب كما يدل على عدم علم المخاطب بوجود تصرف معين يحدده النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم من السؤال. وإذا كانت السيدة عائشة فكرت في الرجوع فذلك درءًا لشبهة محتملة في رحلتها هذه. تعال نقرأ لنتأكد من الأسلوب اللغوي هذا:

2 أخبرنا عبد الرزاق عن معمر عن أبي عمران الجوني عن عبد الله بن الصامت وهو ابن أخي أبي ذر عن أبي ذر قال كنت رديفا خلف رسول الله صلى الل عليه وسلم يوما على حمار فلما جاوزنا بيوت المدينة قال كيف بك قال إن خشيت أن يبهرك شعاع السيف فألق ناحية ثوبك على وجهك ليبوء بأثمك وإثمه. (الجامع لمعمر بن راشد. ج11. ص 351)

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وعن أبي رافع أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لعلي بن أبي طالب إنه سيكون بينك وبين عائشة أمر قال أنا يا رسول الله قال نعم قال أنا أشقاهم يا رسول الله قال لا ولكن إذا كان ذلك فارددها إلى مأمنها رواه أحمد والبزار والطبراني ورجاله ثقات وعن قيس بن أبي حازم أن عائشة لما نزلت على الحوأب سمعت نباح الكلاب فقالت ما أظنني إلا راجعة سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول لنا أيتكن ينبح عليها كلاب الحوأب فقال لها الزبير ترجعين عسى الله أن يصلح بك بين الناس رواه أحمد وأبو يعلى والبزار ورجال أحمد رجال الصحيح وعن ابن عباس قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لنسائه ليت شعري أيتكن صاحبة الجمل الأدبب تخرج فينبحها كلاب الحوأب يقتل عن يمينها وعن يسارها قتلى كثير ثم تنجو بعد ما كادت رواه البزار ورجاله ثقات. (مجمع الزوائد)
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كل هذه الروايات منقطعة السند كما ترى. فمثلًا: عن أبي رافع أن رسول الله...الخ. فمن الذي حدَّث عن أبي رافع؟؟؟!!! وأنت بنيت عليها عدم ندم سيدنا علي بن أبي طالب. وما بني على المنقطع انقطع وسقط. أنت تستشهد بالمراجع السنية التي تؤكد أن الطرفين لم يدر بخلدهما وقوع حرب بينهما وتؤكد على الخدعة ودخول الحرب مرغمين ثم العفو عن بعضهما البعض والندم والاستغفار بين يدي الله عز وجل.

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وأخرج أحمد والبزار بسند حسن من حديث أبي رافع أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لعلي بن أبي طالب: إنه سيكون بينك وبين عائشة أمر، قال: فأنا أشقاهم يا رسول الله؟ قال: لا ولكن إذا كان ذلك فأرددها إلى مأمنها.

كيف يندم و قد اخبره الرسول الاعظم انه المظلوم و ليس الظالم فى الحديث الذى وجهه للزبير .
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