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بمناسبة مولد خير البرية (أيها العلمانيون العرب أحبوا نبيكم وإسلامكم)
على نور الله غير متصل
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المشاركات: 8,439
الانضمام: Apr 2005
مشاركة: #160
بمناسبة مولد خير البرية (أيها العلمانيون العرب أحبوا نبيكم وإسلامكم)
الاخ الفاضل بيوتفل مايند :

اولا:
تفضلت بالقول :
........
الأصل في الدين فعلا هو جمود الأخلاق ..
لا تستطيع أن تنكر أنكم ترفضون أي تغيير في الأسس الأخلاقية إعتمادا على المتجددات الإنسانية على أساس أن : الإسلام جاء لكل زمان و مكان ... و بالتالي لا مجال لتطويره.
أليس هذا جمودا ؟
ربما يكون جمود مبرر على أساس أن الإسلام كامل متكامل و لا يحتاج تعديل.
نعم لديكم تبرير بغض النظر عن صحته و لكن هذا لا ينفي كونه جامدا بالنسبة لكم.
الأسس الأخلاقية لم تتغير من مئات السنين .. و نفس الخطاب الذي تستخدمونه.
........
الجواب:
اخى الفاضل ,
الاسلام احتوى على المنسوخ و الناسخ
الاسلام يقر الامامة و ان اختلفت المذاهب فى تحديد تقييمها
الا ان الامام المعصوم الضرورى فى كل زمان انما هو لاختراق الجمود و عدم تحويل النص الشرعى الى نص جامد او نص لين يعنى تفسيره كما يشاء الهوى .
الاسلام فيه مجال فسيح جدا للتحرك و هو غير جامد .
و كمال الاسلام و اكتماله لا يعنى جموده بل يعنى انه يجيب على متطلبات العصر و متغيراته .

ثانيا:
تفضلت بالقول :
.....
و لا تستطيع أن تنكر أنكم لا تستطيعون معارضة ما هو معلوم و صحيح في القرآن و السنة.
حتى لو لو كان أوامر بالقتل ...
لديكم مساحة ضيقة جدا لتأويل النص لو لم يكن صريحا و مباشرا و لكن الرسول لم يدخر جهدا لجعل كل الأوامر صريحة و قاطعة و مانعة بحيث أنكم لا تملكون فكاكا من أحد موقفين القبول أو الرفض و لا مجال لخلاف ذلك.
........
الجواب:
عدنا مرة اخرى الى مسالة النسبية
فالقتل ليس دائما عمل غير اخلاقى بل احيانا يكون عدم القتل هو العمل الغير اخلاقى .
يعنى عندما تقدر على قتل مجرم و ايقافه عن ارتكاب جرائم بشعة بالاطفال مثلا او الابرياء فعند ذلك يكون هذا عمل غير اخلاقى لان تركك لهذا المجرم يعنى المزيد من قتل الابرياء .
اما تاويل النص فلا اعتقد ان المساحة الضيقة
نعم هناك ثوابت يقوم الدين عليها و هى العقائد
اما مجال الاخلاق فهو مجال مفتوح و كبير جدا
و القران يحض على الاحسان و هو التوجه الى الاحسن

قال تعالى :
الذين ينفقون في السراء والضراء والكاظمين الغيظ والعافين عن الناس [COLOR=Red]والله يحب المحسنين

ثالثا:
تفضلت بالقول :
......
ألا تظن ان الإسلام و الدين بوجه عام قد حصر الأخلاق في الثواب و العقاب ؟
.......
الجواب:
بالقطع لا , اخى الفاضل انت تتكلم عن الحد الادنى الادنى من الدرجات الاخلاقية .
يعنى من كان لا يهتم بالاخلاق فعليه الالتزام بحدود صغرى و الخروج عنها يوجب العقاب البقاء ضمنها يوجب الثواب
اما الابداع الاخلاقى الذى تحول الى عادة و ولع و تعلق بالاخلاق نتيجة قوة الايمان التى تكلمت عنها سابقا فهذا الرقى الايمانى لم يعد يخاطبه الله بلغة الثواب و العقاب التى تخطاها المؤمن مرتبة و مقاما بل صار يخاطبه بالحب
و انت تعتبر ذلك ليس من الدين انما هو اختراع نفسى من المؤمنين فتعال معى اقرا من فضلك ايات القران الكريم القطعية التى تجعل الرقى الاخلاقى طريقا الى القرب من الله و محبته :
قال تعالى :
الذين ينفقون في السراء والضراء والكاظمين الغيظ والعافين عن الناس والله [COLOR=Red]يحب
سورة آل عمران - سورة 3 - آية 134

قال تعالى :
فبما رحمة من الله لنت لهم ولو كنت فظا غليظ القلب لانفضوا من حولك فاعف عنهم واستغفر لهم وشاورهم في الامر فاذا عزمت فتوكل على الله ان الله [COLOR=Red]يحب
سورة آل عمران - سورة 3 - آية 159

قال تعالى :
لا [COLOR=Red]يحب
سورة النساء - سورة 4 - آية 148

قال تعالى :
فبما نقضهم ميثاقهم لعناهم وجعلنا قلوبهم قاسية يحرفون الكلم عن مواضعه ونسوا حظا مما ذكروا به ولا تزال تطلع على خائنة منهم الا قليلا منهم فاعف عنهم واصفح ان الله [COLOR=Red]يحب
سورة المائدة - سورة 5 - آية 13

قال تعالى :
سماعون للكذب اكالون للسحت فان جاؤوك فاحكم بينهم او اعرض عنهم وان تعرض عنهم فلن يضروك شيئا وان حكمت فاحكم بينهم بالقسط ان الله [COLOR=Red]يحب
سورة المائدة - سورة 5 - آية 42

قال تعالى :
يا ايها الذين امنوا لا تحرموا طيبات ما احل الله لكم ولا تعتدوا ان الله لا [COLOR=Red]يحب
سورة المائدة - سورة 5 - آية 87

قال تعالى :
واعبدوا الله ولا تشركوا به شيئا وبالوالدين احسانا وبذي القربى واليتامى والمساكين والجار ذي القربى والجار الجنب والصاحب بالجنب وابن السبيل وما ملكت ايمانكم ان الله لا [COLOR=Red]يحب
سورة النساء - سورة 4 - آية 36

قال تعالى :
وكاين من نبي قاتل معه ربيون كثير فما وهنوا لما اصابهم في سبيل الله وما ضعفوا وما استكانوا والله [COLOR=Red]يحب
سورة آل عمران - سورة 3 - آية 146

قال تعالى :
بلى من اوفى بعهده واتقى فان الله [COLOR=Red]يحب
سورة آل عمران - سورة 3 - آية 76

لاحظ اخى الفاضل ان الايات تخاطب النخبة المؤمنة المترقية الايمان
و الايات كثيرة جدا و لكنى لا اريد ان اطيل فاصيبك بالملل .
و كما لاحظت فهى تتكلم عن الحب
لا تتحدث عن ثواب و عقاب
بل تتحدث عن الحب و التقرب الى الله محبة
اذن فالامر ليس اختراع شيعى او صوفى اخى الفاضل
انما هو من اسس القران
و لكن كيف تخاطب بالحب من لا يعرفك
مثال :
مدير شركة لا يستطيع ان يطلب من موظف جديد العمل اضافى لمجرد الصداقة بينهما
بل لابد ان يرغبه اولا و ان يبين له ان التاخر جزاؤه العقاب .

عندما يصبح الموظف جزؤا من الشركة و يصبح مصيره مرتبطا بها عندها من الممكن ان يخاطبه بالصداقة و العشرة و غيرها من علاقات تقرب .
الاسلام جاء لقوم يعيشون فى فوضى دون قانون سمائى ينظمهم .
و لذلك سعى اولا الى وقف الفوضى بالترغيب و الترهيب و ليعلموا الحدود الدنيا من الدين .
بعد ذلك عندما ترقى ايمانهم صار يخاطبهم بالحب
خاطبهم بالحب بعد ان عرفهم بالله و صارت محبته هدف البعض منهم .

اخى الفاضل
لا احب ان اطيل كى لا يمل محاورى و لذلك فاننى عادة لا ارفق المصادر الا بطلب من المحاور ان كان ذلك يهمه
و لكن من النادر ان اطرح فكرة فى المداخلة الا و يكون المصدر يدور فى ذهنى و لكن ارفاقه يتوقف على المحاور كما اسلفنا .
شكرا للمتابعة
تحياتى

اللهم صل على محمد و ال محمد
لا فتى الا على و لا سيف الا ذو الفقار




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