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اقتباس:يعني لم يؤكد القرآن على التسامح و الغفران بقدر ما أكد على أن العين بالعين و السن بالسن.
ليس الأمر صعبا هنا ان يكتفي المرء بأخذ حقه فقط دون زيادة.

May be my friend you can add some statistics about the "Ayat" that talk about both sides so it will not be a "personal opinion" any more?


لا يا عزيزي ..
معلش ..
المسالة ليست عددا من الآيات تستعملونه كمخزون ينفعكم وقت إتهام بتمجيد العنف او اللاتسامح ...
ما يعنيني هو الآيات الفعالة ..
يعني انا لن اتوه معك في الناسخ و المنسوخ و أسباب النزول .. إلي آخره.
فما يعنيني بالأساس هو سلوك المسلمين الذي هو ابلغ تعبير عن كيفية فهمهم للقرآن و إلي أي مدى وصلتهم الرسالة.

ثم يعني هي مش حاجة تكسف ؟
يعني إنت عارف كويس إن هناك في القرآن آيات تأمر بشيء و آيات أخرى تأمر بنقيضه و يتوه المرء بين الناسخ و المنسوخ.
كلامك هذا ينفي عن القرآن انه دين البساطة و ان الإسلام لا يعرفه إلا فقيه سخر عمره للبحث ..
يعني علشان البني آدم الطبيعي يعرف بس الله في الإسلام عايز ايه و يرسى له على بر محتاج يدرس فترة طويلة.

و مع ذلك اعتقد فعلا ان آيات اللاتسامح أكثر من آيات التسامح.
و إن لم يكن ..
يكفيني ان القرآن لم يكن حاسما في تلك المسالة.
و هو ما أريده لأثبت وجهة نظري بان الإسلام لم يكن معنيا بتعاليم ملزمة و خط أخلاقي واضح ليثبته .. و إن كل مايعنيه هو الولاء الكامل غير المنقوص و لتفعل بعد ذلك ما بدا لك.

You have pointed to a really important idea here, which is the "understanding" of Muslims and I couldn't agree with you more

About "Nasekh" and "Mansoukh" I'm sorry because I'm not into this, so excuse me I can't give an openion

I will do a research about the statistics, because you are saying (as I understand) that the holly bible talks about forgiveness more than punisment and so, I'm not concerned with it because I don't have any knowledge about it, but I want to know if what you said earlier is accurate.

و هو ما أريده لأثبت وجهة نظري بان الإسلام لم يكن معنيا بتعاليم ملزمة و خط أخلاقي واضح ليثبته

What "exactly" do you mean???

(f)

Ok I got it after reading more in the subject

Sorry

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