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ما هي علاقة الانسان الأول بآدم أبو البشر؟
اقتباس:  الدارقطني   كتب/كتبت  
وهل هو قطعي يقيني تاريخ البشر إلى ملايين السنين أم مجرد نظريات وآراء لهؤلاء العلماء، وهل يا ترى اتفقوا على رقم معين من هذه الأرقام أم اختلفوا وتباينت وجهات نظرهم؟
مسألة حسابة الزمن هي مسألة تقديرية وحسابات كيميائيه. ليست دقيقة 100%. ولكن مثلا اذا ظهرت التحاليل الكيميائية تشير الى 60 مليون سنة، ممكن تنقص أو تزيد 10 مليون سنة. ولكن لايمكن ان يكون الحساب كله خطأ والفترة ليست أكثر من ألف سنة. الطريقة بشكل موجز هي ترسبات ما يسمى (C14) في الحفريات. تبدأ ترسبات هذا العامل الكيميائي بعد فترة 2 الى 3 ألاف سنة. وتستمر الى حدود 30 ألف سنة. بعد توقف ترسبات هذا العامل، تبدأ ترسبات عامل كيميائي آخر يسمى (C12). وتستمر ترسباته الى فترة من الزمن. وبعد ان تصل ترسباته الى الحد الاقصى، تبدأ ترسبات عامل آخر، وهكذا. المسألة تقديرية وثابت نجاحها بهذه التقديرات. إذا لاتريد الاعتراف بها فهذا شيئ راجع لك.


اقتباس:وهل تختلف هذه الكائنات المسماة بالديناصورات عن الحيوانات الحالية أم هناك وجه شبه بينها؟ يعني بين الضب مثلا والديناصور الذي يبلغ طوله ثلاثة أمتار.
نعم تختلف. وهياكلها تختلف أيضا، ولا تشابه الحيوانات الموجودة حاليا. وكانت بعض الدينصورات الطائرة لها اسنان. ولايوجد ادنى شاهد وجود تشابه بينها وما هو موجود حاليا.


اقتباس:والدليل على انقراضها؟
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اقتباس:ولمَ لا نقول إن الإنسان هو الإنسان وإنما اختلف حجمه بما يتناسب مع الأرض إذ زاد عدد الناس، والديناصور هو الحيوان، تضاءل حجمه فصار حيوانا وكان ضخما فسمي ديناصورا؟!!

يعني لم تريد تأييد نظرية الانقراض وإلحاقها بالإنسان ولا تريد نفيها وإثبات ما في الحديث الصحيح الذي يلزم أمة الإسلام بقبوله وإن كان آحادا.
ولما لاتقول بأن حديث الآحاد ضعيف، وما اثبته العلم هو الصحيح. اذا كان هناك تناقص في هيكل الحيوانات والبشر، لظهرت بعض الشواهد التي تشير الى ذلك. فمثلا الديناصور الذي كان موجودا قبل 200 مليون سنه هو نفس الدينصور الموجود قبل 60 مليون سنة. والانسان أيضا بنفس الحجم. وأقرب دليل هو المومياء المصريه. أجسام محنطة قبل أكثر منذ آلاف السنين هي نفس أجسامنا الان. يعني اذا فيه تناقص سيكون فيه تدريج لهذا التناقص.


اقتباس:الخلافة إذ اتصلت بالذات الإلهية العلية أو بما هو عظيم وكبير فإنها تأت على معنى الحكم والسلطان من ذاك القادر الحكيم، لا بمعنى الخلف لفلان أو علان، ولهذا قال الله تبارك وتعالى: (يا داود إنا جعلناك خليفة في الأرض) فهل يا ترى انقرض نسل آدم ونوح وأنشأ الله نسلا جديدا لنبيه داود؟!!

قال ابن منظور في لسان العرب: "قال الزجاج جاز أن يقال للأئمة خلفاء الله في أرضه بقوله عز وجل (يا داود إنا جعلناك خليفة في الأرض ) وقال غيره الخليفة السلطان الأعظم.".
وهل كان فرعون خليفة الله في أرضه؟ يا أخي لم أنكر ان القواميس العربية تشير الى مصطلح الخليفة بما يعني خليفة المسلمين. هذا موجود في أغلب القواميس اذا لم يكن كلها. ولكن ماذا يعني أصل الكلمة. ماذا كانت هذه الكلمة تعني لقريش وماذا كانت تعني لأهل المدينة في الزمن الرسول (صلى الله عليه وسلم)، وفي زمن الخلفاء الراشدين. اذا كانت تعني لهم (خليفة الله في ارضه) لما احتاروا في لقب الرئيس. عندما تولى ابوبكر الصديق (رضي الله عنه) الخلافة أطلقوا عليه خليفة رسول الله. هو لم يخلف الله في ارضه ولكن خلف رسول الله فقط. وعندما تولى عمر (رضي الله عنه) الخلافة أطلقوا عليه (خليفة خليفة رسول الله). وبعد ذلك استبدلوه بامير المؤمنين. وهذا يعني انه لم يخطر ببال احد منهم مصطلح الخليفة الذي نطلقه عليهم الان.

وفي سورة النور: وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنْكُمْ وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ ((لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُمْ فِي الأرْضِ)) كَمَا اسْتَخْلَفَ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِمْ وَلَيُمَكِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ دِينَهُمُ الَّذِي ارْتَضَى لَهُمْ وَلَيُبَدِّلَنَّهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ خَوْفِهِمْ أَمْنًا ((يَعْبُدُونَنِي)) لا يُشْرِكُونَ بِي شَيْئًا وَمَنْ كَفَرَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ فَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ

وفي تفسير الطبري:
{ لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُمْ فِي الْأَرْض } يَقُول : لَيُوَرِّثَنَّهُمْ اللَّه أَرْض الْمُشْرِكِينَ مِنَ الْعَرَب وَالْعَجَم , فَيَجْعَلهُمْ مُلُوكهَا وَسَاسَتهَا . { كَمَا اسْتَخْلَفَ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلهمْ } يَقُول : كَمَا فَعَلَ مِنْ قَبْلهمْ ذَلِكَ بِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيل , إِذْ أَهْلَكَ الْجَبَابِرَة بِالشَّأْمِ وَجَعَلَهُمْ مُلُوكهَا وَسُكَّانهَا .
http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafs...Sora=24&nAya=55

وهذا يعني بأن الله سيقيم عباده الصالحين في مقام غيرهم من المشركين. وليس بالضرورة ان يموت المشركين. المهم انهم يتنحون من المكانة التي كانوا فيها. وسيقيم الله عباده الصالحين في مقام المشركين. الاية لاتقول (ليخلفوني) وإنما ليعبدونني لايشركون بي شيئا. ونفس الشيئ ينطبق على داود. يقول الله له يأنه سيقيمه في مقام غيره وليحكم بالعدل. وبصراحه انا لايمكن اقتنع ان القرآن جاء بإصطلاح استحدث بعد عشرات السنين من موت النبي محمد.

وعندما يقول الله "اني جاعل في الارض خليفه"، تعني ان الله سيجعل شيئ يخلف شيئ آخر. هذا هو المعنى اللغوي الحرفي للآيه.


اقتباس:ولو رجعت إلى حديث النبي المصطفى العدنان صلى الله عليه وسلم لعرفت الحق فيه والبيان.
طيب ما رأيك لو اثبت لك بأن الحديث ضعيف. ليس على تضاربه مع الحقائق العلميه فقط، وإنما على سند الحديث! سأعود انشاء الله لهذا الموضوع لأني مشغول الان.


وهذا رابط للحقب الجيولوجية للاطلاع العام
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AD%D9%82%D8%A8%D8%A9

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