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مناقشة لكتاب Die Richtungen der Islamischen Koranauslegung
رحمة العاملي غير متصل
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مناقشة لكتاب Die Richtungen der Islamischen Koranauslegung
الاخ العزيز ابراهيم
لم ارتح لعنوان الكتاب محصور في كلمة (مذاهب )
لما يقرره هذا المصطلح من اعطاء نتيجة مسبقة للبحث
والشك عندي حقيقة نابع فيما اذا كان كولدتسهير قصد (المذاهب) او شيء آخر ك (آراء) في نصه الاصلي غير المترجم

ثانيا
كولد تسهير هو من يقرر نتيجة الاضطراب مسبقا في النص القرآني في صفحة 16 من كتابه

فيقول فلا يوجد كتاب تشريعي اعترفت به طائفة دينية اعترافا عقديا على انه نص منزل او موحى به يقدم نصه في اقدم عصور تداوله مثل هذه الصورة من الاضطراب وعدم الثبات
كما نجده في نص القرآن

كولد تسهير حر بنتيجته كباحث
لكن عمدة دليله هو تفسير الطبري المعروف ب (جامع البيان)
وهذا دليل مضطرب لا يمكن الاستدلال به على صحة او عدم صحة النص
كلامي ليس دفاعا عن النص
بل نقدا لاليات بحث كولد تسهير
لان جامع البيان للطبري فيه من السخافات ما يرفضه الذوق السليم فضلا عن العقل
وهو ليس الا تجميع لاراء السلف واقوالهم في القرآن
ويعد تفسير الطبري افضل من احاط بالتفسيرات الاسرائيلية والموضوعات والاراء الغريبة وجمعها اضافة الى النقل عن الصادقين والكذابين
يصلح جامع الطبري كتاريخ عرض وكشف
ولكنه لا يصلح للحكم على النص القرآني
وهذا ليس رأي محصور بي او بالشيعة
فقد نقل عن الشيخ محمد عبده قوله في تفسير الطبري كلام اشد قال (و لـولا الـجـنون بالروايات مهما هزلت و سمجت لما كان لمؤمن ان يكتب مثل هذا الهزء والسخف الـذي يـنبذه العقل , و ليس في الكتاب ما يشير اليه و لو لم يكن لمن يروي مثل هذه الروايات الا هذا لكفى في جرحه , و ان يضرب بروايته على وجهه فعفا اللّه عن ابن جرير اذ جعل هذه الرواية مما ينشر)

كان حري برجل مثل كولد تسهير ان يكون أكثر شمولية

لنرى غدا ما يقوله عن الشيعة وطرق تفسيرهم








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