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سـؤال يحيرنـي... فهل من عاقل يجيبني عليه...؟

يقول الحزين:
[b] (المنطق هو الأدوات الفكرية التي يستخدمها الإنسان في الإستنتاج و التحليل. إذا هو مرتبط بالإنسان نفسه، لذلك هو يتطور...)

هذا ليس صحيح يا عزيزي، المنطق هو القانون الذي ينظم حركة الوجود، ولكي يمكن للإنسان أن يعيش وأن يتعامل مع الطبيعة ويتفاعل معها، فقد كان شرط ذلك هو أن يبرمج عقله تبعا لقوانين الوجود. فالعبارة القائلة: (هذا الكتاب لا يمكن أن يكون داخل بيتي وخارج بيتي في آن واحد) تعني بأن قوانين المكان والزمان لا تسمح لهذا الكتاب أن يكون في مكانين مختلفين في آن واحد، وعندما جاء الإنسان، فهم هذا القانون على أنه منطق، وتعامل به مع الطبيعة كما هو.

(القوانين هي أدوات أيضا،ً فهي ليست إلا ترميز لما فهمناه من الطبيعة، أي أن الإنسان وضعها لكي يفهم الطبيعة ويتوقع تصرفاتها...)
القوانين ليست أدوات ولم يضعها الإنسان، القوانين هي الأنظمة التي تعمل الأشياء بموجبها، بل هي روح هذه الأشياء وجوهرها، فاكتشف الإنسان أنه لكي يتعامل الأشياء ويخضعها لسلطته، فإن عليه أن يفهم قوانينها أولا.

(رفضك لعدم وجود بداية للمادة لا يكفي لإقناعنا بأن هذا الإحتمال غير وارد...)
حسنا... لو قلت أنت بأن المادة أزلية ليس لها بداية، لكان ذلك بمثابة هروب من مواجهة مسألة أصل المادة ونشوئها، إذ أن من قوانين المادة هو كونها متناهية زمانيا ومكانيا.


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يقول داروين:
(القول بأزلية المادة أو بأنها جائت من العدم، كلا هذين القولين غير معقولين، وبالتالي فلا معنى للمفاضلة بينهما...)
نحن لا نريد الدخول في مفاضلات، نحن نبحث في قضية أصل المادة ومن أين نشأت، ولا نملك في هذا البحث من أدوات سوى طرح الإحتمالات وعرضها على العقل ليحكم أي منها هو المعقول المقبول منطقيا وأي منها ليس كذلك.

إن من حقي أن أقول مثلا بأن المادة الأولى نشأت من داخل علبة سردين، ليس هناك عاقل يعترض علي عندما أطرح هذا الإحتمال لأنه يعرف بأن أي احتمال مهما كان سخيفا أو جادا يعرض على محكمة العقل للحكم على معقوليته ومنطقيته.

إن ما أريد أن أقوله هو أن الإحتمال القائل بأن: (هناك قوة غامضة هي التي أنشأت المادة الأولى) هذا الإحتمال لم أقل بأنه هو الصحيح، بل أقول بأنه هو الإحتمال الوحيد الذي صمد حتى الآن بعد أن سقط غيره من الإحتمالات.










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