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ما الذي يعجبك في الدين الاسلامي وما الذي لايعجبك فيه ؟؟ دعوة للنقاش
اقتباس: ابراهيم
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ما لا شك فيه أن رأيك وهو غاية في الجمال يخدم أجندتي في تحقيق مجتمع إنساني أقرب ما يكون للعلمانية. لكن يا صديقي ما تتحدث عنه ليس هو الإسلام الحقيقي. الإسلام الحقيقي هو إسلام واحد ويبدأ بالقرآن بنصه وفصه. أعرف أن هناك تأويلات والتأويل هو المخرج المريح من النصوص التي تكدر صفو عيشنا. ولكن في نظري التأويل، أياً كان، سواء كان هذا حادث في الكتاب المقدس أو القرآن الكريم، بمثابة الأفيون الذي نتعاطه حتى لا نرى الواقع المرير الكئيب وعلنا نعيش في كنف الإيمان لأنه من المزعج في تنشئتنا وفي علاقاتنا أن نكون بلا دين وعليه نلجأ لزخرفة أمور تبدو لنا عيان الشمس حتى نريح ضمائرنا المتعبة. هذا يحدث في جميع الأديان بلا استثناء. لعبة التأويل! وكما أن هناك التأويل الأوريجاني Origen في المسيحية والذي يسعلى لترميز ما استطاع إليه سبيلا و ما ملكت كلتا يديه، هناك تأويل شحرور ونصر حامد أبو زيد لخلق دين "على الموضة" لابتلاع ما يغص في الحلق وما هو باليسير على الهضم حتى لو عبر إلى معدة كتلك.
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صديقي ابراهيم:
معلوم ان ثمة اسلام حقيقي , لكن
ما هو الاسلام الحقيقي وكيف يمكن التعرف عليه ومن هو الذي يحدد اذا ما كان اسلام ما هو الاسلام الحقيقي !؟
بعبارة ادق : ما هي المعايير الصحيحه والموثوقه التي تمكننا من التحديد و الفصل بين ما هو حقيقي وما هو مدسوس ؟
ولا يخفاك ان كل مشاكل الفكر الاسلامي من لحظة الحسن البصري
الى فرج فوده تطرح نفسها مع هذا السؤال.
صحيح ان لدينا نصوصا يجب الاحتكام اليها ,ولا يخفاك ان النصوص
بحد ذاتها كانت ولا تزال جزء مهم من المشكله نفسها.
وفي كتاب" مذاهب التفسير " هديتك الغاليه يزداد الامر وضوحا.
ان الدراسات الاسلاميه عند المسلمين اليوم درسات فقيره
بشكل مذهل- ,حتى الثقافه الاسلاميه في اوساط المثقفين مليئه
بما لا يمكن للعقل تقبله -وفي الاوساط الاستشراقيه لا يهتمون
اطلاقا بمسأله حقيقه النصوص ويكتفون بجمع معلومات معينه
تفسر ضواهر معينه تخدم فهم الغرب للاسلام .
ومن هنا نجد ان مساله "الحقيقه" غائبه عن الساحه الا من رحم
ربي من امثالك الطيبين,وتظل حقيقه النصوص نسبيه بحسب المذهب
المتبع في التفسير والتاويل والتأريخ...وهكذا يكون العقل الادواتي
التقني هو الحل , بمعنى : ان لدينا ظاهرة تطرف اسلامي اليوم -مثلا-
وهؤلاء المتطرفون يحتجون بأيات تساند موقفهم ,ما هو الحل؟
الحل هو تاؤيل النصوص وتمويه الراي العام والطعن بطريقه فهم المتطرفين للنص.كما يفعل نصر حامد وغيره
او توقيف النص مكانه في التاريخ بدعوى"تاريخيه الاصول"
كما يفعل اركون .
ونسيان ان هذه النصوص -اعتبارا-هي نصوص الهيه ولا ينطبق
عليها الفكر الفرنسي او الانجلوسكسوني المعاصر بطرقيه حرفيه
على الاكثر هو يصوغ اشكالات يقدم اعتراضات "يضيء الموضوع"
ولا يقدم حلولا .
اخي ابراهيم عذا على الطول ولكن احببت ان انوه الى ان ثمة
مسافه هائله بين دراسات الكتاب المقدس والدراسات الاسلاميه
وسنعود للنقاش انا وانت في الموضوع قريبا.
كل المحبه
08-27-2006, 03:33 PM
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