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ما الذي يعجبك في الدين الاسلامي وما الذي لايعجبك فيه ؟؟ دعوة للنقاش
أخي الزعيم رقم صفر مع احترامي الشديد لقلمك وقلة حيلتي وعلمي.. إلا أنني أود طرح تساؤل حول مسألة الخمر تحديدا..

حتى "نتجنب" اللغط

التجنب لفظة في اللغة معروفة استخداماتها...
وللإسهاب لنا أن نقرأ عنها في لسان العرب:
اقتباس:وجَنَّبَ الشيءَ وتجَنَّبَه وجانَبَه وتجَانَبَه واجْتَنَبَهُ: بَعُد عنه.
وجَنَبَه الشيءَ وجَنَّبَه إيَّاه وجَنَبَه يَجْنُبُه وأَجْنَبَه: نَحَّاهُ عنه. وفي التنزيل العزيز إخباراً عن إبراهيم، على نبيَّنا وعليه الصلاة والسلام: واجْنُبْني وبَنيَّ أَنْ نَعْبُدَ الأَصْنام؛ أَي نَجِّني.
وقد قُرئ: وأَجْنِبْني وبَنيَّ، بالقَطْع. ويقال: جَنَبْتُه الشَّرَّ وأَجْنَبْتُه وجَنَّبْتُه، بمعنى واحد، قاله الفرّاءُ والزجاج.
ويقال: لَجَّ فلان في جِنابٍ قَبيحٍ إذا لَجَّ في مُجانَبَةِ أَهلِه.
ورجل جَنِبٌ: يَتَجنَّبُ قارِعةَ الطريق مَخافةَ الأَضْياف.
والجَنْبة، بسكون النون: الناحية. ورَجُل ذو جَنْبة أَي اعْتزالٍ عن الناس مُتَجَنِّبٌ لهم. وقَعَدَ جَنْبَةً أَي ناحِيةً واعْتَزَل الناسَ.
ونزل فلان جنْبةً أَي ناحِيةً. وفي حديث عمر، رضي اللّه عنه: عليكم بالجَنْبةِ فإنها عَفافٌ. قال الهروي: يقول اجْتَنِبُوا النساءَ والجُلُوسَ إلَيْهنَّ، ولا تَقْرَبُوا ناحِيَتَهنَّ.
وفي حديث رقيقة: اسْتَكَفُّوا جَنابَيْه أَي حَوالَيْه، تثنية جَناب، وهي الناحِيةُ. وحديث الشعبي: أَجْدَبَ بِنا الجَنابُ. والجَنْبُ: الناحِيةُ. وأَنشد الأَخفش: الناسُ جَنْبٌ والأَمِيرُ جَنْبُ  
كأَنه عَدَلَه بجميع الناس. ورجل لَيِّنُ الجانِبِ والجَنْبِ أَي سَهْلُ القُرْب. والجانِبُ: الناحِيةُ، وكذلك الجَنَبةُ. تقول: فلان لا يَطُورُ بِجَنَبَتِنا. قال ابن بري: هكذا قال أَبو عبيدة وغيره بتحريك النون.

وباختصار وتوضيح أسهل..
مثلا عندما أدلك على طريق ما للوصول إلى فندق ما..

سأقول لك اذهب في طريق اسمه كذا وتوقف عند إشارة كذا ثم التف لليمين ولكن اجتنب المرور في الطرق الفرعية..


هنا أنا أنصحك بالاجتناب والابتعاد "ما أمكن" عن الطرق الفرعية..ربما للازدحام وربما لمرور المشاة وربما لاحتمال ضياعك في الطرقات.. لكنني أقر وأعترف أنك لو سلكت تلك الطرق فإنك لن تخالف قانونا على ذلك..


في سياق آخر يمكن أن تستخدم كلمة "اجتنب" لنفس الغرض الذي ذكرته أنت ويؤول إليه المعنى الذي ذكرت أنه المقصود من الآية..

لكن وجود هذا الاحتمال يقابله وجود الأحتمال الأول أيضا..

ومن هنا أرى والله أعلم أن إثبات حرمة الخمر من خلال المعنى اللفظي لكلمة الاجتناب لا يؤدي إلى إثبات قاطع للتحريم..


شخصيا آخذ بحرمة الخمر من واقع أن الحد طبق كما ورد في السنة في عهد الرسول صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم وصحابته الخلفاء..
ومن واقع أنه يصب في خانة اللهو في مجمل الأحوال.. وفيه فساد كبير وقلة هيبة ووقار..

وإن كنت أستغرب في الوقت نفسه اعتبار النبيذ بنفس مقام الخمر.. مع ان الفرق واضح ومع أن المصطلحين كانا موجودين في عهد الإسلام ونزول القرآن... لكن القرآن لم يذكره اسما.. بل قال الله تعالى "الخمر" ولم يقل "النبيذ"

اسأل الله أن يجنبني وإياك والمسلمين كل سوء ومفسدة..ويهدينا إلى صراطه المستقيم
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