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ما الذي يعجبك في الدين الاسلامي وما الذي لايعجبك فيه ؟؟ دعوة للنقاش
Kivi غير متصل
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مشاركة: #106
ما الذي يعجبك في الدين الاسلامي وما الذي لايعجبك فيه ؟؟ دعوة للنقاش
اقتباس:  الزعيم رقم صفر   كتب/كتبت  
الان انتقل الحوار من تحريم الخمر الى سبب عدم وجود كلمة حرام فى ثلاث ايات تتعلق بالخمر فى القران  

و ما هى القاعده التى تستند اليها لاثبات وجوب قول حرام عند منع او تحريم الافعال ؟
==========================
(f)

زميلي العزيز لم ينتقل الحوار من موضوع الى آخر ... وأنت بارع في اللف والدوران ....:9:

في البداية قلت ما يعجبني وما لا يعجبني في الاسلام بناء على سؤال طرحتها الزميلة أسماء ... بعد مداخلات للزملاء ، كان لك أيضا بعض المداخلات ... بما إنني كنت وما أزال مشغولا ولكنني كنت أقرأ جميع المداخلات ولكن أجيب و أسأل فقط الزميلة أسماء لعدم الوقت الكافي لدي من جهة ، ولا توجد لدي الـ (كيبورد العربي) من جهة أخرى .

فقلتَ لي ....
لماذا تجاهلت مداخلاتى 43و44و45و46و47و48 ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

ثم سألتني ...
إلى أى شئ تستند فى كون المساواه بين الرجل و المرأه من فضائل الاعمال لتعتبر عدم قيام الاسلام بالمساواه بينهما عمل منبوذ ؟

فكتبت لك الاية .......... فَإِن لَّمْ يَكُونَا رَجُلَيْنِ فَرَجُلٌ وَامْرَأَتَانِ

من فضلك توضح لنا مما هى الفئات التى حرض السلام على مقاتلتها و قتلها و ارهابها ؟
فكتبت لك الاية......... تُرْهِبُونَ بِهِ عَدُوَّ اللَّهِ وَعَدُوَّكُمْ
فكتبت لك الاية.......... فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَخُذُوهُمْ وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ

اين العنصريه للعرب فيما سبق ؟
فكتبت لك الاية.......... لِإِيلافِ قُرَيْشٍ


وكتبت في تعدد الزوجات ... فكتبت لك الاية
فَانكِحُواْ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاء مَثْنَى وَثُلاثَ وَرُبَاعَ ........ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ

فسألتني ....
هل الاسلام يفرض على المسلم وجوب الزواج بأكثر من زوجه ؟

توفير المال عن طريق حج البيت (الكعبة)
فكتبت لك الاية.......... وَلِلَّهِ عَلَى النَّاسِ حِجُّ الْبَيْتِ مَنِ اسْتَطَاعَ إِلَيْهِ سَبِيلاً

ماذا تقصد بتوفير المال عن طريق الحج ؟
هل تقصد التوفير بمعنى المحافظه و الشح
ام تقصد التوفير بمعنى تحقيق الربح ؟

ثم تقول وتسأل...... و لكن الله شدد فى تحريم الخمر اكثر من تحريم لحم الخنزير فكيف تقول انه لم يحرمها ؟


أين هذا التشديد الذي تتكلم عنه ... لنقرأ معاً جميع الايات ..
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سورة البقرة 219
يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ قُلْ فِيهِمَا إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَإِثْمُهُمَا أَكْبَرُ مِن نَّفْعِهِمَا وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ مَاذَا يُنفِقُونَ قُلِ الْعَفْوَ كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الآيَاتِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَفَكَّرُونَ
سورة المائدة 90
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْخَمْرُ وَالْمَيْسِرُ وَالأَنصَابُ وَالأَزْلامُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَانِ فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ
سورة المائدة 91
إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ الشَّيْطَانُ أَن يُوقِعَ بَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاء فِي الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ وَيَصُدَّكُمْ عَن ذِكْرِ اللَّهِ وَعَنِ الصَّلاةِ فَهَلْ أَنتُم مُّنتَهُونَ
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سورة البقرة 173
إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ الْخِنزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ بِهِ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ غَيْرَ بَاغٍ وَلاَ عَادٍ فَلا إِثْمَ عَلَيْهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
سورة المائدة 3
حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَا أَكَلَ السَّبُعُ إِلاَّ مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَأَن تَسْتَقْسِمُواْ بِالأَزْلامِ ذَلِكُمْ فِسْقٌ الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلامَ دِينًا فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِي مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لِّإِثْمٍ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
سورة الانعام 145
قُل لاَّ أَجِدُ فِي مَا أُوحِيَ إِلَيَّ مُحَرَّمًا عَلَى طَاعِمٍ يَطْعَمُهُ إِلاَّ أَن يَكُونَ مَيْتَةً أَوْ دَمًا مَّسْفُوحًا أَوْ لَحْمَ خِنزِيرٍ فَإِنَّهُ رِجْسٌ أَوْ فِسْقًا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ غَيْرَ بَاغٍ وَلاَ عَادٍ فَإِنَّ رَبَّكَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
سورة النحل 115
إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحْمَ الْخِنزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ غَيْرَ بَاغٍ وَلاَ عَادٍ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
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تقول الاجتناب = الحرام

أقول لك قارن بين الايات وما هي درجات القوة بينهما ! ....وقولوا الحق ولو على أنفسكم

تقول .... لن اناقش درجات القوه تلك و مصدرها

أقول بأن القرآن أهم من الحديث (كل مسكر حرام)
تقول .... لا نعقد مقارنه بين القران الكريم و الحديث الشريف و لا نفاضل بينهما لان طريقهما واحد

فلا أعتقد بأننا سنصل الى نتيجة ....:what:

:bye:
كيفي
09-08-2006, 04:22 AM
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