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سؤال عن( الجديد) الذي قدمه الاسلام من تعاليم روحية مؤثرة تقرب الانسان إلي الله ( أكثر )
على نور غير متصل
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مشاركة: #165
سؤال عن( الجديد) الذي قدمه الاسلام من تعاليم روحية مؤثرة تقرب الانسان إلي الله ( أكثر )
الاخ الفاضل غاد هلب اس:
سلام و محبة اخوية (f)
تفضلت بالقول :
.........
وما معني الآحادية يا استاذي , اليس معناها أن الله وحده الآله , أم لها معني أخر ؟؟؟
........
الجواب:
الاحدية يا استاذى الفاضل تعنى انه غير مركب .
الواحد
تعبير عددى
فالانسان واحد ايضا
و لكن الاحد هو منع للتركيب
فالانسان يتكون من روح و جسد
و الجسد يتكون من اعضاء
و العضو يتركب من انسجة و هكذا ...الخ
اما الله عز وجل فهو احدى المعنى لا يتجزء .
و هذا التعليم العقائدى من اسمى التعاليم فى الوحدانية .
و هذا التعليم يفيد فى معرفة الله
و المعرفة تزيد المحبة
و المحبة تقرب الى الله .

ثانيا:
تفضلت بالقول :
....
الله لم يلد ولم يولد لان الله روح ( وكيف أن الله الازلي يلد ويولد ؟؟ )

أما اذا كنت تقصد الكلمة الذي صار جسدا , أو الظهور في صورة إنسان
( أي عقيدةالتجسدوالخلاص )
فأعتقد إنه موضوع كبير ويطول شرحه ويعتبر خارج عن ما نريد الاستفادة منه من تعاليم ويمكن أن نتناقش فيه سويا فيما بعد اذا أراد الرب وعشنا
.....
الجواب:
استاذى الفاضل
وجود كائن ينسب الى كائن بالبنوة يعنى انه والده .
و المجاز يفيد نفس المعنى
فنسبة البنوة مجازا تفيد ان البنوة الحقيقية ممكنة و الا فكيف ننسب البنوة المجازية الى ما لا يقبل البنوة اصلا
من هنا
فكلمة بنوة مرفوضة حقيقة و مجازا .
و هى كلمة يستعملها اخواننا المسيحيون .
التعليم الاسلامى العقائدى فى اية لم يلد و لم يولد
تنفى هذه العقيدة المسيحية و تعتبرها جهلا فى حقيقة الله تؤدى الى عدم معرفته و عدم معرفته تؤدى الى الابتعاد عنه لان الحب سيكون الى كائن اخر ليس الاله الحق عز و جل .
و معرفته كما اسلفنا تؤدى الى القرب منه .
اما الجزء الثانى من نفس الاية :
و لم يولد
فهو نفى لصورة اخرى من العقيدة المسيحية
التى تؤمن بولادة الاله و تقيم الاعياد بهذه المناسبة و التعليم العقائدى هنا ينفى نفيا قاطعا هذا التعليم .
اما التقرب الى الله فى هذا التعليم فينطبق عليه ما ينطبق على التعليمين العقائديين السابقين .
و بذلك
فارجو ان تتفق معى بان هذه تعاليم جديدة على المسيحية التى بين ايدى المسيحيين .
و اكرر باننا نؤمن بان هذه التعاليم ليست جديدة بالنسبة للانبياء و المرسلين بل هى صميم دعوتهم السابقة و لكنها تعاليم فقدتها الاديان السالفة بعد رحيل الرسل .
و هذا ايضا ما يؤكد عليه اخى الصفى فى مداخلاته الطيبة بارك الله به .

ثالثا:
تفضلت بالقول :
......
استاذ علي معني أن الله واحد
وإنه هو الله وحده
ينفي أن يكون له شبيه أو نظير
لانه اذا كان هناك تثنية أو تثليث فهذا ينفي الآيات التي ذكرتها لك عن الوحدانية وإنه هو الله وحده
وإيماننا أن الله الواحد له كلمة وله روح , فهذا لا يتعارض مع إنه واحد
......
الجواب:
جاوبت عن ذلك سابقا
اما بالنسبة لكلمة الله :
قال تعالى :
قل لو كان البحر مدادا لكلمات ربى لنفد البحر قبل ان تنفد كلمات ربى و لو جئنا بمثله مددا .

و قال تعالى :
انما امره اذا اراد شيئا ان يقول له كن فيكون .

كلمات الله التكوينية لا تقتصر على رجل واحد حتى نسميه ابنا .
و هذا بحث ارحب فى بحثه معك ان احببت
و لكن الكلمة لا تسمى ابنا .
استاذى الفاضل :
الم تطلب منى الابتعاد عن التاويل و الاستنباط فلماذا تتبع حضرتك هذا الاسلوب ؟؟؟؟
الم نتفق على التعابير الصريحة و الواضحة جدا ؟؟
ارجو الالتزام بما الزمتنى به مشكورا

رابعا :
تفضلت بالقول :
.........
ومع ذلك فلهم فرصة للتوبة وللعودة وسيقبلهم
( لانه هكذا أحب الله العالم ,,,,,,, لكي لا يهلك كل من يومن به ,, )

اذا محبة الله للعالم وخلاص العالم من الهلاك , مشروطة بالايمان به

وايضا

1 كورنثوس 6:10
10 ولا سارقون ولا طماعون ولا سكيرون ولا شتامون ولا خاطفون يرثون ملكوت الله.

الكلام واضح محبة الله هي في قبوله لهؤلاء اذا تابوا

وإن لم يتوبوا


رومية 2:5
5 ولكنك( من اجل قساوتك وقلبك غير التائب )تذخر لنفسك غضبا في يوم الغضب واستعلان دينونة الله العادلة
أعتقد الآيات صارت واضحة استاذي وليس عندي مانع من التوضيح أكثر اذا أحببت
....
الجواب:
مرة اخرى تثبت الايات التى تفضلت بها ان الله يحب الجميع و تتفضل بان الايمان هو الشرط لهذا الحب
اما التعليم الاسلامى فكما بينته لك :
محبة الله تكون مقابل الافعال و ليس الايمان فقط
فالايمان يجب ان يترجم الى افعال و تقوى و جهاد و هنا تحصل محبة الله لمن كان يحب الله .
مع ملاحظة ان رحمته تعالى وسعت كل شئ حتى من يبغضهم اما محبته :
فتكون لمن يحب الله و يتبع الرسول الاعظم بكل ما فى هذا الاتباع من صعوبات و جهاد و تضحيات و يكون تقيا .

خامسا :
الاية التى وضعتها لك واضحة جدا و لا ارى فيها ما يستدعى الشرح
فالاية بحد ذاتها تعليم يقرب الى الله و اعيدها لحضرتك
قال تعالى :
وَلاَ تَقْتُلُواْ أَوْلادَكُمْ خَشْيَةَ إِمْلاقٍ نَّحْنُ نَرْزُقُهُمْ وَإِيَّاكُم إنَّ قَتْلَهُمْ كَانَ خِطْءًا كَبِيرًا


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