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: 32 اجابهم يسوع اعمالا كثيرة حسنة اريتكم من عند ابي بسبب اي عمل منها ترجمونني
10: 33 اجابه اليهود قائلين لسنا نرجمك لاجل عمل حسن بل لاجل تجديف فانك و انت انسان تجعل نفسك الها
10: 34 اجابهم يسوع اليس مكتوبا في ناموسكم انا قلت انكم الهة
يسوع ينفى هنا بوضوح انه اله الا اذا اعتبر اليهود ان كلهم الهة .......... و ربما يشير الى مزمور 82 : 6
6أَنَا قُلْتُ إِنَّكُمْ آلِهَةٌ وَبَنُو \لْعَلِيِّ كُلُّكُمْ. 7لَكِنْ مِثْلَ \لنَّاسِ تَمُوتُونَ وَكَأَحَدِ \لرُّؤَسَاءِ تَسْقُطُونَ. 8قُمْ يَا \للهُ. دِنِ \لأَرْضَ لأَنَّكَ أَنْتَ تَمْتَلِكُ كُلَّ \لأُمَمِ.

طبعا كل الاعداد لها تفاسير او تبريرات عندهم لا تقنع طفل صغير و معظم النصارى يقتبسوا العدد 10 : 33 منفردا ليثبتوا الالوهية المزعومة و يتجاهلوا العدد التالى له مباشرة و يعتبروا رجم اليهود له دليل الوهية مع ان يسوع نفسه ينفى التهمة فهل ما قاله يسوع حقيقى ام كان يخدع اليهود حتى يهرب منهم ؟؟؟.
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و هذا هو ما ذكرته في بداية مداخلتي على ان كاتب البحث يبتر الآيات و يذكر بعضها فقط و لا يذكرها كاملة بطريقة و لا تقربوا الصلاة وويل للمصلين .

لو أكملت باقي الاعداد لنهايتها لوجدت أن السيد المسيح في هذا الموقف يؤكد لاهوته مرة ثانية بعد ان أكده في أول مرة

راجع التالي :

يوحنا 10 : 29أَبِي الَّذِي أَعْطَانِي إِيَّاهَا هُوَ أَعْظَمُ مِنَ الْكُلِّ وَلاَ يَقْدِرُ أَحَدٌ أَنْ يَخْطَفَ مِنْ يَدِ أَبِي. 30أَنَا وَالآبُ وَاحِدٌ».
31فَتَنَاوَلَ الْيَهُودُ أَيْضاً حِجَارَةً لِيَرْجُمُوهُ. 32فَقَالَ يَسُوعُ: «أَعْمَالاً كَثِيرَةً حَسَنَةً أَرَيْتُكُمْ مِنْ عِنْدِ أَبِي - بِسَبَبِ أَيِّ عَمَلٍ مِنْهَا تَرْجُمُونَنِي؟» 33أَجَابَهُ الْيَهُودُ: «لَسْنَا نَرْجُمُكَ لأَجْلِ عَمَلٍ حَسَنٍ بَلْ لأَجْلِ تَجْدِيفٍ فَإِنَّكَ وَأَنْتَ إِنْسَانٌ تَجْعَلُ نَفْسَكَ إِلَهاً» 34أَجَابَهُمْ يَسُوعُ: «أَلَيْسَ مَكْتُوباً فِي نَامُوسِكُمْ: أَنَا قُلْتُ إِنَّكُمْ آلِهَةٌ؟ 35إِنْ قَالَ آلِهَةٌ لِأُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ صَارَتْ إِلَيْهِمْ كَلِمَةُ اللَّهِ وَلاَ يُمْكِنُ أَنْ يُنْقَضَ الْمَكْتُوبُ 36فَالَّذِي قَدَّسَهُ الآبُ وَأَرْسَلَهُ إِلَى الْعَالَمِ أَتَقُولُونَ لَهُ: إِنَّكَ تُجَدِّفُ لأَنِّي قُلْتُ إِنِّي ابْنُ اللَّهِ؟ 37إِنْ كُنْتُ لَسْتُ أَعْمَلُ أَعْمَالَ أَبِي فلاَ تُؤْمِنُوا بِي. 38وَلَكِنْ إِنْ كُنْتُ أَعْمَلُ فَإِنْ لَمْ تُؤْمِنُوا بِي فَآمِنُوا بِالأَعْمَالِ لِكَيْ تَعْرِفُوا وَتُؤْمِنُوا أَنَّ الآبَ فِيَّ وَأَنَا فِيهِ». 39فَطَلَبُوا أَيْضاً أَنْ يُمْسِكُوهُ فَخَرَجَ مِنْ أَيْدِيهِمْ .

السيد المسيح أكد لاهوته أول مرة عندما قال أنه واحد مع الآب و عندما اعترض اليهود و حاولوا قتله لم يهرب كما أدعى كاتب البحث الملفق و لكنه قال لهم أذا كنتم دعيتم آلهة ( كائنات سماوية ) لمجرد ان لديكم كلمة الله فمابالكم بي أنا الابن الازلي الذي قدسه الله و أرسله الى العالم ليتجسد , ثم أكد لاهوته مرة أخرى و قال انه في الآب و الآب فيه .

و عندما أكد السيد المسيح على لاهوته مرة اخرى باصرار حاول اليهود قتله مرة اخرى و لكن الله أغشاهم فهم لا يبصرون و أنصرف من بينهم .

و من يدرس الكتاب المقدس يجد العديد من الآيات التي تؤكد اللاهوت ووحدته مع الآب رغم التجسد .

راجع التالي :


متي 12 : 6 وَلَكِنْ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ: إِنَّ هَهُنَا أَعْظَمَ مِنَ الْهَيْكَلِ! 7فَلَوْ عَلِمْتُمْ مَا هُوَ: إِنِّي أُرِيدُ رَحْمَةً لاَ ذَبِيحَةً لَمَا حَكَمْتُمْ عَلَى الأَبْرِيَاءِ! 8فَإِنَّ ابْنَ الإِنْسَانِ هُوَ رَبُّ السَّبْتِ أَيْضاً».

يوحنا 5 : 25اَلْحَقَّ الْحَقَّ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ: إِنَّهُ تَأْتِي سَاعَةٌ وَهِيَ الآنَ حِينَ يَسْمَعُ الأَمْوَاتُ صَوْتَ ابْنِ اللَّهِ وَالسَّامِعُونَ يَحْيَوْنَ. 26لأَنَّهُ كَمَا أَنَّ الآبَ لَهُ حَيَاةٌ فِي ذَاتِهِ كَذَلِكَ أَعْطَى الاِبْنَ أَيْضاً أَنْ تَكُونَ لَهُ حَيَاةٌ فِي ذَاتِهِ 27وَأَعْطَاهُ سُلْطَاناً أَنْ يَدِينَ أَيْضاً لأَنَّهُ ابْنُ الإِنْسَانِ.

يوحنا 8 : 54 أَجَابَ يَسُوعُ: «إِنْ كُنْتُ أُمَجِّدُ نَفْسِي فَلَيْسَ مَجْدِي شَيْئاً. أَبِي هُوَ الَّذِي يُمَجِّدُنِي الَّذِي تَقُولُونَ أَنْتُمْ إِنَّهُ إِلَهُكُمْ 55وَلَسْتُمْ تَعْرِفُونَهُ. وَأَمَّا أَنَا فَأَعْرِفُهُ. وَإِنْ قُلْتُ إِنِّي لَسْتُ أَعْرِفُهُ أَكُونُ مِثْلَكُمْ كَاذِباً لَكِنِّي أَعْرِفُهُ وَأَحْفَظُ قَوْلَهُ. 56أَبُوكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمُ تَهَلَّلَ بِأَنْ يَرَى يَوْمِي فَرَأَى وَفَرِحَ». 57فَقَالَ لَهُ الْيَهُودُ: «لَيْسَ لَكَ خَمْسُونَ سَنَةً بَعْدُ أَفَرَأَيْتَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ؟» 58قَالَ لَهُمْ يَسُوعُ: الْحَقَّ الْحَقَّ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ: قَبْلَ أَنْ يَكُونَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ أَنَا كَائِنٌ».

متي 22 : 41وَفِيمَا كَانَ الْفَرِّيسِيُّونَ مُجْتَمِعِينَ سَأَلَهُمْ يَسُوعُ: 42«مَاذَا تَظُنُّونَ فِي الْمَسِيحِ؟ ابْنُ مَنْ هُوَ؟» قَالُوا لَهُ: ابْنُ دَاوُدَ». 43قَالَ لَهُمْ: «فَكَيْفَ يَدْعُوهُ دَاوُدُ بِالرُّوحِ رَبّاً قَائِلاً: 44قَالَ الرَّبُّ لِرَبِّي اجْلِسْ عَنْ يَمِينِي حَتَّى أَضَعَ أَعْدَاءَكَ مَوْطِئاً لِقَدَمَيْكَ؟ 45فَإِنْ كَانَ دَاوُدُ يَدْعُوهُ رَبّاً فَكَيْفَ يَكُونُ ابْنَهُ؟» 46فَلَمْ يَسْتَطِعْ أَحَدٌ أَنْ يُجِيبَهُ بِكَلِمَةٍ. وَمِنْ ذَلِكَ الْيَوْمِ لَمْ يَجْسُرْ أَحَدٌ أَنْ يَسْأَلَهُ بَتَّةً.

يوحنا 13 : 13وَلَيْسَ أَحَدٌ صَعِدَ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ إِلاَّ الَّذِي نَزَلَ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ ابْنُ الإِنْسَانِ الَّذِي هُوَ فِي السَّمَاءِ.



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