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عزيزي eeww2000 , الاخوة الافاضل

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Array eeww2000 كتب/كتبت
اول سؤال
هل العقل له كلمة واحدة ام اكثر الا تعتبر معى العقل الذى له كلمة واحدة عقل محدود هل الاب الذى على قولك هو اللاهوت الغير محدود و اللانهائى ليس له الا كلمة واحدة لماذا ما الذى يمنع ان يكون له اكثر من كلمة بل عدد غير محدود و لا نهائى من الكلمات .
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عزيزي هذا التشبيه تقريبي لسهواة تخيل العلاقة بين الآب و الابن كأقانيم في ذات الله الواحد و لا يجب ان تطبقها حرفيا لمحاولة أيجاد ثغرة في التشبيه .

الله واحد و بالتالي فكلمته الذي يعبر عنه هو واحد فقط لأن الله لا ينقسم و لا تعدد .

Array eeww2000 كتب/كتبت
ثانى سؤال
كيف تساوى بين الكلمة المولودة من العقل و بين العقل الذى ولدها ؟؟؟
حتى لو كانت الولادة روحية وحتى لو كانت الكلمة ازلية كيف تفهم هذا التساوى لابد للعقل من افضلية
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لأن العقل لا يكون بدون كلمة و ألا أصبح لا يفكر و كذلك الكلمة لا تولد ألا من عقل و لهذا فالكلمة الصادرة من العقل تعبر عنه و مساوية له .

العقل ليس له أفضلية لأنه لم يأتي قبل الكلمة أو يكون له وجود بدونها .


Array eeww2000 كتب/كتبت
ثالث سؤال
فسر هذا القول تظل الكلمة حبيسة العقل حتى تتجسد
هل كان يسوع حبيسا عند الاب حتى تجسد ..........!!!!!!!!
هل تستطيع ان تساوى بينهما هنا ؟؟؟
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حبيسة معناها أنه لم يتجسد من قبل أي لم يكن ظاهرا للعيان .

المسيح كان مختفيا في ذات الآب قبل التجسد و لهذا قلنا هذا التعبير ( حبيسا ) عند الآب .

تماما كما تظل الرياح حبيسة الهواء حتى يأتي ميعاد هبوبها فنحن بتأثيرها و نراها تحرك الاشجار و صواري الاعلام .


Array eeww2000 كتب/كتبت
باختصار الاب هو الهواء و الابن هو جزء من الهواء او القدر من الهواء الذى يهز الشجرة كما تقول
و هو جزء صغير جدا لا يقارن بحجم الهواء فى الارض مثلا .................
و لن نعبد الشجرة و لا تعنينا فى شىء اذن الهواء كله هو الاصل لماذا نجزىء فيه و لماذا جزء واحد او اثنين ؟؟؟؟
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كلمة جزء صغير كلمة غير دقيقة لأن الله لا يتجزأ و لهذا نقول كلمة ( أقنوم ) أي دور ووظيفة و شخصية .

أما لماذا ( نعرف ) الهواء و ليس نجزأه بتعريفات مختلفة فهذا بسبب أختلاف الوظيفة و الدور الذي يقوم به .

سأعطيك مثالا آخر : المحيط كيان ضخم مترامي الاطراف به دوامات في أماكن و به أمواج في مناطق و به أيضا تيارات في مناطق أخرى , لماذا
( نجزأ ) المحيط بهذا المنطق ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

لماذا نعطي أسم مختلف لكل قدر منه رغم أنه لم يتجزأ ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

لأن كل دور له وظيفة و شكل ( رغم وحدة الذات ) , فالتيارات تختلف عن الدوامات تختلف عن الامواج رغم أنهم
في كيان واحد .

كذلك الهواء , فالاعاصير تختلف عن الرياح تختلف عن النسيم العليل رغم انهم في كيان واحد .

كذلك الآب له دور يختلف عن الابن يختلف عن الروح القدس رغم ان هؤلاء الثلاثة هم في واحد .

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