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بحث فى مصطلح ابن الله فى العهد الجديد

عزيزي eeww2000 , الاخوة الافاضل

كيف حالك عذرا للتأخر بالرد لظروف العمل


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اى منطق يقول ان الكلمة الصادرة من العقل تعبر عنه و مساوية له ؟؟؟؟؟؟.
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أذا فما الذي يعبر عن العقل أن لم يكن الكلمة الصادرة منه ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

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لا تعليق هنا الا اذا ذكرت مثل ادق غير تقريبى لكن طالما هو تقريبى اذن لا داعى للمناقشة هنا .
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حتى و لو كان المثال تقريبي لكنه يقرب لك فكرة الثالوث فلماذا لا تريد أن تتحاور بشأنه ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟


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هناك فارق كبير اذا قلت انا و العميد واحد هل تساوى انا و العميد انسان واحد ؟؟؟؟؟؟
طبعا هناك فرق لان الاولى تحتمل ان تكون المساواة فى جزئية واحدة و هى المذكورة فى النص فلا تصلح الا اذا كانت انا و الاب اله واحد
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بالصدق قد أجبت و أكدت كلامي دون ان تدري , فعلا لا يستطيع أحد أن يقول انه واحد مع شخص ألا أذا كان من نفس مستواه و فكره , فأنت تقول أنا و الاخ العميد واحد أي فكركما واحد و هدفكما واحد و هذا مقبول لان كلاكما بشر , و لكن هل سمعت
أي انسان من قبل قال أنه واحد مع الله ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

هل يستطيع أي انسان مهما كان ان يقول أن فكره واحد مع فكر الله ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

الكتاب المقدس يعلمنا أنه من عرف فكر الله أو كان له مشيرا فكيف يقول السيد المسيح أنه واحد مع الله أن لم يكن يعلن بذلك لاهوته ؟؟؟؟؟؟


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معجزة الميلاد العذراوى طبعا لم تتم فى وضح النهار و لكن الطفل الذى تكلم فى المهد تكلم امام الناس جميعا و الشىء الوحيد الذى يسكت اليهود فى معجزة الحمل العذراوى هى تكلم الرضيع فى المهد و هذا ليس موجود عندكم هل رايت الفرق اذن القران هو الذى يبرىء السيدة مريم الصديقة .
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عيسى بن مريم تكلم في المهد و لكنه لم يقل أنه مولود بدون اب بشري فما علاقة ذلك بالحمل العذراوي ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

و بالنسبة للفارق بين القرآن و الكتاب المقدس فهو فارق شاسع لان الكتاب المقدس ذكر صراحة ان المولود هو من الروح القدس و أنه سيكون كلمة الله متجسدا على عكس القرآن الذي ذكر طلاسم فقد قال أن الطفل تكلم دون أن يقول أن أمه عذراء ثم ذكر ان اليهود لم يلاحظوا أن مريم كانت حاملا و لم يلتفتوا للطفل الا بعد ولادته , هل أصابهم جميعا عمى مؤقت بحيث لم ينتبهوا أنها حامل ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

و لو حدث هذا فما الذي جعلهم يتهمونها في الطفل طالما أنهم لم يروها و هي حامل ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ المنطقي أنهم يعتبروه طفل لقيط و هي تحمله أو طفل من أقربائها …….. أليس كذلك ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟


لقد فعل آله الاسلام تلك المعجزة خفية و في الليل دون أن يراها أحد فلماذا ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟


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هذه المعجزة التى نؤمن بها لم يشاهدها احد فعلا و لم تتم ليؤمن احد بالقران و الرسول صلى الله عليه و سلم هى معجزة خاصة بالرسول .
النص يقول :
الَّذِي أَسْرَى بِعَبْدِهِ لَيْلاً
و كلمة عبده هنا تدل على الخصوصية بين الله سبحانه و تعالى و عبده الرسول صلى الله عليه و سلم و بمعنى اخر هذه ليست معجزة لنؤمن بالقران و الرسول .
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عزيز الفاضل انا أتناقش في نقطة محددة , أنت تكلمت عن معجزة المشي على الماء و قارنتها بمعجزات النبي موسى في القرآن و قلت أنه يجب ان تتم المعجزة في وضح النهار ليؤمن بها الناس متناسيا معجزة الاسراء التي تمت ليلا دون أن يراها أحد فكيف تقبلها أن تتم سرا و ليلا في القرآن و لا تقبل أن تتم معجزة مماثلة ليلا في الكتاب المقدس ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

الاخ فانسي هني معه حق في أنك تقبل باشياء معينة في عقيدتك ثم تقيم الدنيا و تقعدها على مثيلها طالما هي مذكورة بالكتب المقدس و هذا يدل سامحني على ازدواجية في تقييم المعايير .


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و انت تعرف ان اى معجزة لم تشاهدها يكون من حقك ان تشك فيها و هذه هى المشكلة عندك و كثرة المعجزات تدل على خصوصية الرسالة .
بمعنى اخر نحن نؤمن بالله و رسوله الان بمعجزة باقية هى القران و انت تحتاج ان ترى يسوع يمشى على الماء لتؤمن انه ابن الله ...................هل رايت الفرق ...............
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أنا غير محتاج أن أرى يسوع المسيح يمشي على الماء لاؤمن أنه ابن الله بل أؤمن بذلك لانه اعطاني ذلك الايمان مجانا بنعمة منه .


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قد تؤمن انت لاسباب اخرى لكن من حق اى شخص ان يشكك فى المعجزة حتى يراها بعينه فى النور و ليس فى الظلام و الرياح شديدة
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أذا فمن حقي ان أشكك في الاسراء و المعراج التي تمت ليلا هي الاخرى و من هذا المنطلق لا داعي لان تقارن بين معجزات ذكرت في القرآن و معجزات تمت في الكتاب المقدس لتطعن في مصداقيته .


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اين الدليل على ذلك ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ اين الدليل انه قام بمفرده
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الادلة كثيرة جدا جدا و لكن أهمها نعمة الايمان المجانية و نعمة تغيير القلب و الفكر التي يعطيها السيد المسيح .

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