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الانضمام: Apr 2007
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ثم تعليق على ما كتبه
المهذب/ عبد المسيح

قال عبد المسيح/ أن دليل ألوهية المسيح أمران:
دعوى المسيح الألوهية .... والمعجزات.


Arrayلا أحد يقول بالوهية السيد المسيح لانه فعل المعجزات ( فقط ) و لكن لسببان :

أولا هو أعلن ذلك بنفسه

ثانيا برهن على ذلك بالمعجزات و أهمها قيامته المجيدة .[/quote]


ماذا يقول سفر التثنية في مثل حال يسوع؟

سفرالتثنية:

(إذا قام في وسطك نبيّ أو حالمٌ حلماً وأعطاك آية أو أعجوبة. ولو حدثت الآية أو الأعجوبة التي كلمك عنها قائلاً لنذهب وراء آلهة أخرى لم تعرفها ونعبدها، فلا تسمع لكلام ذلك النبي أو الحالم ذلك الحلم، لأن الرب إلهكم يمتحنكم لكي يعلم هل تحبون الرب إلهكم....... وذلك النبي أو الحالم ... يقتل لأنه تكلم بالزيغ....) تثنية 13

هذا هو الحكم .... فيمن يدعي أنه إله، أو أنه هو الله، أو دعا لعبادة آلهة دون الله
ولو أتى بكل ما قيل من آيات ومعجزات كالتي تنسب للمسيح وزُعِمَ له بها أنه إله، أو زعم المسيح لنفسه أنه إله.

نفس ما قلت أنتَ .. وبنفس أدلتك .. أسقطها سفرالتثنية ورفضها ..

نفس أدلتك التي ذكرتها لإثبات ألوهية المسيح ...
هي هي نفسها التي حذر منها سفر التثنية ...
1- الدعوى
2- الآيات والمعجزات

إن تأليه المسيح بهذه الأدلة كفر بالله، .... ودليل على عدم حب الله .. ورسوب في امتحان الله للناس.

إنسان اسمه "يسوع"، حملت به أمه،
وولدته، وأرضعته
يعمل نجاراً
... يجوع، ويأكل
ويشرب ويتعب
ويحزن ويتألم
ويبكي ويضطرب
ويندهش، ويكتئب وينام
ولا يعلم بهياج العواصف ولا اضطراب السفينة التي فيها أصحابه حتى أوشكت على الغرق، إلا لما أيقظوه من نومه!

هذا الإنسان جاء إلى الناس وقال أنا هو الله .. أنا الذي خلقتكم وخلقت آباءكم وخلقت العوالم
(سنقدر أنه حقاً قال ذلك)
ثم فعل المعجزات والأعاجيب.

هل نقول عنه ... صدق .. حقاً هو الله ...
أم يكون ادعاؤه دليل كذبه، فنكذبه، ونكفر به
ونتبرأ إلى الله الواحد الأحد أن نشرك به إنساناً أو ملاكاً أو شيء دونه،
ونعلن أنه مفتر كذاب ولو طار في الهواء ومشى على الماء؟

أنت تدعوني للإيمان بهذا لأنه عمل أعاجيب ... وتقول لي (آمن به لتخلص)

ما حكم سفر التثنية فيك .. أنت أيضاً؟


عزيزي الكريم:
ليس (الله) شيئاً هيناً حتى نجعل بشراً أو ملاكاً أو روحاً أو غير ذلك "هو الله"، أو نشركه مع الله لأنه فعل أعاجيب وآيات.
الألوهية ليس مجالاً للمساومة (أو جائزة) نعطيها لمن أتى بأكبر عدد من الآيات، أو أتى بآيات لم يأت به أحد قبله!!

Arrayقال عبد المسيح:
السيد المسيح فعل العديد من المعجزات التي لم يفعلها غيره[/quote]

المسيح بشر ابن امرأة، كسائر البشر، فليصنع من الأعاجيب ما يصنع ..لكن ... لن يعدو قدره،
ولا يتجاوز حده ...
ولو زعم أنه هو الله أو إله أو شريكاً لله ..
فحكم العقل عليه حكم سفر التثنية عليه (كذاب زائغ .. )
واجب القتل..
حبك لله أن تؤمن به... لا تشرك به مسيحاً ولا غيره.

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