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المحترم عبد المسيح تحية وبعد :

لقد كتبت تقول هكذا :

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أصبح الانسان مدينا لله بحياة مقابل حياته التي فقدها بالخطية و لهذا أصبح لزاما على كل انسان ان يقدم ذبيحة لله أو حياة تعادل
حياته ليتم الغفران عن طريق أزالة أجرة الخطية و هي الموت و عن طريق أزالة نتيجة الفعل يكون الفعل كأنه لم يكن .
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ولكننا نجد تناقضاً في كلامك فيما بعد , فلا الانسان سدد الدين - قدم االذبيحة - ولا فعل أي شيئ !!

بل الله هو الذي قدم الذبيحة !!!

ثم ما هي هذه الذبيحة / الدين ؟؟؟ إنه الله نفسه .

هو الدائن وهو الدين / الذبيحة في نفس الوقت !!!؟؟؟

يعني هل من المتوقع عزيزي عبد المسيح أن نصدق نحن بعدها هذا الافتراض الذي لا دليل عليه غير كلامك ؟؟؟

--- نستطيع أن نقول وما شأننا نحن بهذه القصة ؟؟ المفروض أن الله خلقنا وطبيعتنا قابلة لهذه الخطية التي ورثناها بلا دخل منا ولا إرادة , وهذه مشكلة تقنية ( عيب تصنيع ) والمُصَّنع قد قام بحل هذه المشكلة أيضاً بدون استشارتنا -وما وجب عليه استشارتنا أساسا - فقتل نفسه أو إبنه على الصليب ( هو حر ) .
والمشكلة أنه بعد هذا الإصلاح ( الافتراضي ) للمشكلة التقنية , لم يتغير شيئ !! سواء قبلنا نحن ( المجبرين ) أو لم نقبل , فالعطل مازال سارياً ولم يتغير شيئ منظور !!! بل هي كلها مجرد فرضيات لا دليل عليها .

--- آدم أخطأ فمات وحواء أخطأت فماتت ونحن أيضاً نموت , الله فكر في أن يقتل نفسه / إبنه بعد آلاف السنين !!!

هل نفهم من هذا أن كل الأجيال التي قبل القتل على الصليب لن تجد لها أجساد في الآخرة ؟؟؟

تذكر أنه لا ذنب لنا في هذه القصة فقد ورثنا هذه الميول ( الروحية ) على حسب تعبيرك بلا إرادة ولا تدخل مننا , فوجب على من جعل آدم الأول على استعداد للخطية أساساً أن يحل هذه المشكلة بلا تدخل منا أيضاً .

هل الموضوع هو فقط تكييف الفرضيات لخلق جو من الراحة وعدم حمل هم الآخرة يا عزيزي ؟؟

أنت مديون وعليك دين كبير مش هاتقدر تسده للحاكم العظيم ولكن الحاكم هايسدد الدين عنك ويدبح إبنه / نفسه إن قبلت هذا الأمر ووافقت عليه أنت من المرضي عليهم من الحاكم وإن رفضت مش هاتلاقي جسد في الآخرة ؟؟؟؟

أنا أوافق هو أنا خسران حاجة ؟؟؟:bye:

وهكذا تصبح مسيحياً دينوك وفكوا دينك وإنت قاعد مكانك بس إنت وافق وهكذا فأنت في الجنة وستجد جسد في الآخرة !!!

ثم ؟؟؟ ثم نم عليك ليل طـــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــويل حتى تستيقظ في الآخرة لتجد الجسد .

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