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مِنْ أجلِ خلاصٍ صحيح .. لا بد منْ زواجِ المسيح
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مشاركة: #35
مِنْ أجلِ خلاصٍ صحيح .. لا بد منْ زواجِ المسيح
الحمد لله

الزميل الكريم/ عبد المسيح
أشكرك على ردك الأخير ..وأنا لا شك قرأت مداخلاتك التي تشارك بها في هذا الموضوع من قبل وقرأت ما أوضحته.

ولا يزال زميلي الفاضل يتكلم في مسألة الخطية .. وبمن ورثت .. أدم أم حواء.
وهذه مسائل لو أن سيادتك راجعت آخر مشاركة لي .. سترى أني تجاوزتها .. بل أقررت لك بما تقول ..
وسلمت لك بوراثة الخطية.. وبحاجة البشرية إلى الخلاص.. وحاجة الخلاص إلى تجسد الإله.

لكن الذي يجب أن لا يهمل من أي مسيحي ولا بد له من جواب أن إيمانه بهذا التجسد، وأن الله ظهر في الجسد، لازم له الإشراك بالله ..
وهو ما ذكرناه في أكثر من مشاركة كتبتها ... وهو ما ننتظر جواباً عليه.

وهو ما أردناه من موضوع زواج المسيح .. أن زواجه ليس أمراً مستحيلاً .. لأنه على حسب العقيدة المسيحية هو إله متجسد، فهو إنسان كامل كما هو لاهوت كامل ... فزواج الإله المتجسد أمر ممكن .. حتى لو لم يتزوج...
كما أن زواجك أمر ممكن ولو لم تتزوج.
وزواجي أمر ممكن لو لم أتزوج.
وقد شرحنا ذلك بما لا داعي لتكراره...

والمترتب على زواجه (الذي يمكن أن يكون) هو آلهة وآلهات من البنين والأحفاد .. هذا هو الشرك.
وقلنا أن العقيدة المسيحية تسمح بذلك مادامت تؤمن هذه العقيدة بتجسد الإله وأن الله ظهر في الجسد.
وقد رددنا على مسألة أن زواجه ليس ممكناً لاستحالة اجتماع النور والظلمة ... بمسألة ولادته من مريم، بل تكونه منها .. بما لا داعي أيضاً لتكراره.

وافترضنا أنه لو كان صحيحاً (أي عدم جواز زواجه بسبب النور والظلمة...) فالذي خلق ناسوت المسيح بلا خطية قادر أن يخلق ناسوتاً آخر بلا خطية ... فلا شيء يمنع من زواجه، أو إمكانية زواجه.

وقلنا:
Arrayفمن أي طريق أتيت .. ما دمت آمنت بإله متجسد ... سيلزمك هذا كله. فليس ما يمنع فضلاً أن يجعله مستحيلاً لهذا الإله أن يتزوج، وأن ينجب .. ثم البنين والبنات والأحفاد والحفيدات .. والآلهة والآلهات .. وليتأكد لدى المسيحيين كيف أن دينهم دين إشراك بالله مثله مثل أديان المشركين.
هذه هي حقيقة عقيدة التجسد والخلاص[/quote]


هذا الشرك اللازم لعقيدة التجسد هو الذي يحتاج إلى جواب .. ويحتاج من المسيحي المخلص أن يفكر فيه.

.........
06-26-2007, 02:35 PM
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