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وجود الذات الإلهية بين الإثبات والنفي والحيرة
دستورنا الاسلام غير متصل
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المشاركات: 81
الانضمام: Aug 2007
مشاركة: #76
وجود الذات الإلهية بين الإثبات والنفي والحيرة
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لا اريد ان أزعجك عزيزي دستورنا الإسلام

[/quote]

في البداية أنا سعيد للقائي بك مرة أخرى ... ولماذا الازعاج فهذا حوار يوسع المدارك.

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لا اريد ان أزعجك عزيزي دستورنا الإسلام

لكن ما تتحدث عنه حول مثال البعرة والبعير إنما توصلنا إليه بالملاحظة ، فهل نستطيع إخضاع هذا الإله للملاحظة؟
[/quote]

بالاضافة الى ما قاله الزميل "الزعيم رقم صفر" أضيف:

بأن الله بذاته غير قابل لأن نُخضعه للملاحظة ... ولكن تجلياته هي من تخضع للملاحظة التي تدل على أنه موجود.

وليس كل ما هو موجود نلاحظه بعينه ... فالأكسجين أحد العوامل الأساسية لتنفسنا يقوم بعمل واضح ولكننا لا نرى هذا الأكسجين بعيننا المجردة وقِس على ذلك.

ما أقصده أن غياب أمرٍ ما عن الأعين ليس دلالة كافية على عدم وجوده فقد يترك آثاراً تدل عليه رغم تعذر وصولنا اليه.

عندما أرى آثاراً لأقدامٍ انسانية في الصحراء فسأكون على ثقة كاملة بمرور "انسان" على هذه الأرض ... ولكني ربما أبحث أياماً عن هذا "الانسان" فلا أجده دون تزحزح اعتقادي بمروره من هنا.


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وعلى فرض أن معمورتنا وما وصلت إليه من إتزان لا يمكن أنها بلغته عن طريق الصدف، وأن هنالك ’إله‘ هو من أوصله غلى هذه الحالة، فالسؤال هو: هل هذا الإله أوجد نفسه من العدم؟ أم أنه موجود أزلي؟ إذن مالمانع ان تكون قوانين الفيزياء اوجدت نفسها من العدم ، أو أنها قديمة في نفسها؟

[/quote]

سندخل هنا في سلسلة لا نهاية من "الخلّاق"!

العقل البشري غير قادر على استيعاب "الزمن المتناهي القدم" الذي ليس له بداية ... مثلما نعجز عن بقائنا في (الجنة أو النار) لمدة غير محدود "الخلود".

الكون بنفسه غير قابل للتكون من ذاته ولكن خالقه العظيم لا أعظم منه ... من أين جاء ومن أي زمن وكيف ذلك هذه أمور غيبية لا نستطيع ادراكها.

أو ربما يأتي يوم تكون عقليتنا قادرة على فهم ذلك ... فما كان يعجز عن تفهمه واستيعابه "أجدادنا" بات "أطفالنا" - الأغبياء منهم حتى :)- قادرين على ذلك.

08-25-2007, 05:24 PM
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