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دعوة للنقاش الهادئ حول نظرية التطور "الداروينية"
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دعوة للنقاش الهادئ حول نظرية التطور "الداروينية"
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البارحة جلست أفكر في الموضوع، موضوع التطور بشكل عام، وكل مرة فكرت في الموضوع كنت أصل إلى نقطة "من أين أتت الحياة أساسا؟؟" ... يعني الإنسان تطور عن القردة، والقردة تطورت من كذا وكذا، إلى أن نصل إلى الجراثيم والكائنات وحيدة الخلية ... شاهدت برنامجا البارحة فقط على قناة الديسكفري ساينس يقول أنه تطلبنا 750 مليون سنة حتى نتطور من كائنات وحيدة الخلية إلى شكلنا المتطور المعقد جدا. لكن من أين أتت تلك الكائنات وحيدة الخلية؟؟
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كمبيوترجي،

فرضية الـ abiogenesis (الأصل الكيماوي للحياة) هي فرضية علمية و ليست نظرية علمية، أي أنه لا يوجد دليل عليها، و إنما هي فرضية يدرسها العلماء. قد تتحول في المستقبل الى نظرية اذا تم العثور على أدلة قوية (فأدلتها اليوم ضعيفة)، و قد لا تتحول الى نظرية بل قد ينبذها العلماء الى غير رجعة.

و هذه الفرضية لا علاقة لها بنظرية التطور. نظرية التطور هي نظرية علمية تدعمها الحقائق عن تنوع الكائنات الحية و ليس أصلها. هي عن أصل الأجناس الحية و ليس عن أصل الحياة ذاتها.

العلماء هم أول من يعترف أنهم لا يعرفون ما هو أصل الحياة. لذلك لا يجوز الخلط بين نظرية التطور و مسألة بداية الحياة على الارض.

نظرية التطور هي مثل نظريات تكوين النجوم و الكواكب و مساراتها و علاقاتها ببعض و المسافات بينها، الخ. حقيقة أن العلماء لا يعرفون ما أصل الكون لا تعني أنهم أيضا لا يعرفون كيفية تكوّن الكواكب مثلا او مساراتها. لا نسمع أحدا يعترض مثلا قائلا، "طالما أنكم لا تعرفون أصل الكون، فكل ما تقولون عن النجوم و الكواكب و المجرات هو خطأ." لا يجوز الخلط بين الأمور.

هناك أمور لا يعرفها العلم، و العلماء هم أول من يعترفون بها. و لكن في نفس الوقت، هناك أمور يعرفها العلم فعلا. و التطور هو أحد هذه الأمور.

هل يعني هذا أن نظرية التطور هي حقيقة أزلية يستحيل تغييرها؟ طبعا لا. كل الحقائق في العلم هي أمور قابلة للتغيير، و حصل هذا فعلا في تاريخ العلم الحديث. فالعلم ليس مثل الدين و أهل الدين الذين يتمسكون بمزاعم أزلية لا يتراجعون عنها حتى الموت و أشياء "ايمانية" يتمسكون بها ضد كل الأدلة. هذا "اليقين" غير موجود في العلم، بل ينبذه العلم لصالح العقل المفتوح الذي يبحث دائما و يقبل التغيير حين يكون التغيير ضروريا.
(تم إجراء آخر تعديل على هذه المشاركة: 08-25-2007, 11:03 PM بواسطة Logikal.)
08-25-2007, 10:56 PM
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