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هل عبد العزيز بن باز شخصية حقيقية توجد أدلة موثقة تثبت وجودها ?
غير صحيح يا عزيزي بريق

فلا السيستاني ولا محمد ابن عبدالله ولا الله نفسه فوق النقد .. كل هذا في سياق النقاش والبحث عن الحقيقة

يعني عفوا مالذي يجعلني أدافع عن مسألة إباحة التفخيذ مع الرضيعة التي ضمنها الخميني في كتابه تحرير الوسيلة غير الطائفية؟ لكنني لا أفعل .. ولدي حوار طويل جدا أنتقد فيه هذا الأمر الشنيع

وقد تعرف عوليس من كتاباته فلا تتعجل بالحكم عليه
وتخميني أنك وهابي مردّه إلى رفضك لشركيات (عبدة القبور) من منطلق عقلي بينما تفترض فينا جهل مسائل الحج والعمرة وكأننا تربينا في حضن غير حضن الوهابية !:)

يا رجل ..تعال نعاير أفاعيل الحجاج فترة الحج بأفعال عبدة القبور .. نفس الغوغائية .. نفس الحجة: أدلة من الثابت الديني على جواز التوسل والتبرك ..ونفس الاستدراك (الوهابي لا يفهم القيمة الدينية للتبرك وللتوسل)

أنا يا بريق مع الإنسان!
حرية العقيدة .. وحرية التعبير .. وحق تقرير المصير .. وحق الاختيار .. وحق الحياة كلها مقدسات إنسانوية ! لا يمكنك أن تقول ببساطة ... ما يفعله عبدة القبور غير عقلاني فلا يجب أن يبقى .. وما نفعله من طقوس أمرنا بها هي مشروعة يجب أن تبقى!
ببساطة هذا ضد الإنسانية ! وازدواجية في المعايير !

ثم ماذا يعني أن السماح للقبوريين بممارسة طقوسهم يعد خيانة لمبادئ الوهابية! هنا خلل خطير ومؤلم !
في الوقت الذي أعترض فيه على استلاب الآخر بحجة أنه يخالف المبدأ الشيعي ، أجدني مضطرا أن اقف الوقفة ذاتها ضد هذا الإتسلاب العجيب الغريب بمسمى المابادئ الوهابية!

مبادئ الوهابية هي أن يمارسوا طقوسهم. نقطة في نهاية السطر. لكن ماذا يعني أن ينزع الوهابي لفرض ثقافته على الحجر والشجر في السعودية! ما هذا الدين الذي لا يستقيم الإيممان فيه إلا بإجبار الآخر على الخضوع لتعاليم الدين جبراً!

ولم لا نرى حمية الوهابيين على من ينهب المال العام من أسرة آل سعود؟ ولم لا نرى حميتها على من اعتقلوا ممن ناصحوا الدولة وهو ما تدعي الوهابية انه مكفول للمواطن بينما سجن الفالح والحامد والدميني لأنهم طالبوا بدولة دستورية ! ولم تهتز للظلاميين اي قصبة! ولم هذه الحمية لا تظهر حين يخرج ابومتعب ليصافح كوندليزارايس على شاشات التلفاز رغم انهم صجونا في المدرسة بحرمة مصافحة الاجنبية! ولم يسكت مشائخ الشريعة الغراء عن الأموال الربوية في البنوك! ام أنهم يستقوون على الضعفاء الصوفية والشيعة.. والليبراليين!

ماذا جرى يا صديقي؟ ألم نتفق أن كلا يؤخذ منه ويرد عليه إلا صاحب هذا القبر؟ مالي أراك تحولت إلى شيعي تقدس ابن باز واخوانه من الظلاميين!

أنا كما أسخر من كرامات مللالي الشيعة وطلاسمهم الكهنوتية التي تشبه الشعوذة وشيوخ الطريقة الصوفية وأفلام الخيال العلمي التي يسنجونها حول العرفانيين منهم، فأنا أسخر من ظلامية ابن باز وابن عثيمين والمطلق وابن جبرين وآل الشيخ والفوزان !

يا عمي تدافع عن من يا بريق؟ زعلان أن ابن باز تراجع عن فتوىجريان الأرض حول الشمس؟ .. طيب دورلي على تزكية الشيخ ابن باز لنونيّـة القحطاني في العقيدة .. وأعرض نونية القحطاني الأندلسي على الزملاء في النادي عشان يحكمون بنفسهم على عبقرية الشيخ الفذة!
ودورلي في طريقك على ملف صوتي للشيخ بن عثيمين يتكلم فيها عن لبس الصدرية (الستيانة) للفتاة غير المتزوجة! وعن فتوى القبعة برفرف !وعن رأيه في جريان الأرض حول الشمس ! وفتوى المطلق للطلاب المبتعثين! .. وفتوى هيئة كبار العلماء التي تحرم إهداء الزهور للمرضى في المستشفى! .. وتحريم مسلسل طاش !

ومرة اخرى .. لن أدافع عن نفسي فيما يخص السيستاني .. لكن تريّث قليلا قبل أن تصنّفه .. أنا بحس أن عندك ميول مذهبية وبسحب كلمة وهابي.. وهذا طبيعي جدا .. أنا نفسي أعتبرني معنيا بخلاص الشيعة (وطنيا) وليس طائفيا .. وأنتمي لأسرتي .. لأنني إن لم أنتمي لأسرتي فلن أنتمي للسعودية
لكن المأخذ حين أطلب أن لا يقدّش الوهابية صحابتهم بينما أقبل للشيعة أن يقدّسوا أئمتهم .. هنا أنا أعتمد معايير مزدوجة وهذه هي الطائفية
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