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هل هل كتب يوحنا قصة الزانية ؟
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تحياتي عميدنا العزيز
و ليكن لك ما ترغب

بل صحح لي ما شئت
افتراض انه من الاقوال ما لم يصل , او وصل بشكل ضعيف , يجعل من مجرد طقوس المؤمنين دليل قد يرد به حديث صحيح المظهر او احاديث ضعيفه

بل ان البخارى قد اعل حديثا بسبب مخالفته لفتوى قالها ابو هريرة !

و شاهدي هنا انه يمكن الاحتجاج لصحة النسب بدون السند , و ربما خالف السند هذه الحجة فيسقط السند و ينتصر التقليد غير المسند

اليس هذا هو مذهب مالك ؟
دون الدخول في تفاصيل الغرانيق , و اعتداء الالباني على الحافظ ابن حجر , و بعض الاخطاء التى وقع فيها الالباني
الحافظ صحح القصة بسبب
(( تعدد طرقها ))

و اعتمد المسلمون طريقة تعدد الطرق في اثبات اخبار لم يرد فيها السند الصحيح
و استثنوا من ذلك ما حسبوه منكرا او شديد الضعف
و اغلب - ان لم يكن كل - ما تم استبعاده كان مما يطعن في الاسلام مثل قصة الغرانيق

الا ان امانة الحافظ لم توافقه على هذا الاستبعاد بل دفعته الي تأويلها بما يوافق الرسالة المحمدية
و بصرف النظر عن القصة ذاتها

الا ان شاهدي هنا هو التصحيح ( التحسين على اقل تقدير ) كنتيجة لكثر الطرق
لا يهمنى الاجابة بقدر قبول هذه الفكرة
ان عدم الاعتراض على النص المقدس = قبوله
ظهرت المراسيل بسبب الثقة
بل ذهب كبار من المستشرقين الي ان فكر ( الاسناد ) لم تكن موجودة في العصر الاسلامي الاول
فيكفي ان يقول سعيب بن المسيب - تابعي - قال رسول الله كذا ليقبل كلامه دون معرفة الصحابي الذي اخذ منه سعيد
فلم يكن يهم سعيد ان يذكر الطريقة التى وصلت اليه بل كان سعيد يحدث تلامذته ليعلمهم الايمان الاسلامي لهدايتهم لا ليخط تاريخ الاسلام الذي سيسجله البخاري فيما بعد

و لو سأله احد التلامذه ( كيف عرفت ان رسول الله فعل كذا )
سيقول له سعيد ( ابن مسعود اخبرني ) مثلا

غير هذا لا داع لذكر ابن مسعود لان القصد هو حديث ( محمد ) لا الواسطة

فهما لما سبق اعتمدت عدد من المذاهب الاسلامية صحة المراسيل و بعضها وصل الي مراسيل القرن الثالث

فكان الحنفية و المالكية
اكل هؤلاء مختلو العقل ؟ و الشافعي وحده هو الفطن ؟

ان قبول المراسيل بسبب هذه الخلفية دعا عدد من العلماء الي رد حتى احاديث صحيحة بسبب المراسيل
و الشاهد هنا هو ( قبول المراسيل بدون اسنادها)
يتبع باذن الله
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