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هل هل كتب يوحنا قصة الزانية ؟
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Arrayهل يوجد مالكية الي اليوم ؟
هل بقى احتجاجهم بعمل اهل المدينة مثل مالك ام غيروا هذا الاصل ؟
لو بقى هل بقى وهم على علم بعدم صوابه ؟ ام ان هذه المعلومة لم تصلهم ؟[/quote]

لا شك أنه يوجد مالكية اليوم ويأخذون بعمل أهل المدينة وهم يعتقدون صوابه ، ولكن ليس بعمل أهل المدينة في عصرنا هذا ، بل بعمل أهل المدينة من الصحابة ومن بعدهم من التابعين .

Arrayكذا اريد تعليقك العلمي على النصوص التالية
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قال عطاء أن ما أجمعت عليه الأمة أقوى من الإسناد ونحوه
السخاوي , فتح المغيث شرح ألفية الحديث 51[/quote]

قلت : وأنا أقول بما قال عطاء ،ولكن لا بد من توضيح بعض الأمور :
- الإجماع عندنا هو دليل إيماني يُعمل به بين المسلمين ، بمعنى آخر الإجماع يحتج به المسلم على المسلم ، ولكن لا يحتج به على غير المسلم ، فالإجماع بنفسه ليس حجة ، ولولا أن القرآن والسنة دلّا عليه وشهدا له لما كان حجة .
وزيادة في الإيضاح أقول : إن الحق حق وإن خالفه جميع أهل الأرض ، وإن الباطل باطل وإن وافقه جميع أهل الأرض ، فالحق لا ينقص ولا يتحول إلى باطل إذا خالفه أهل الأرض ، والباطل باطل وإن أجمع عليه أهل الأرض ، ولولا القرآن والسنة لما قلنا به .
فالإجماع عندنا هو عصمةٌ عصمَ الله بها الأمة الأسلامية من أن تجتمع على ضلالة ..
والإجماع لا يمكن أن يكون على خلاف حديث صحيح ، ولا يقوم إلا على نص ثابت .

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مثل هذا من الآثار التي قد اشتهرت عند جماعة العلماء استفاضة يكاد يستغنى فيها عن الإسناد لأن استفاضتها وشهرتها عندهم أقوى من الإسناد
ابن عبد البر , التمهيد 24 \ 290

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قوله صلى الله عليه وسلم لا وصية لوارث استفاضة هي أقوى من الإسناد والحمد لله
ابن عبد البر , التمهيد 23 \ 442[/quote]

لا يمكن لحديث أن يشتهر ويستفيض نقله عند العلماء ويتلقوه بالقبول إلا أن يكون حديثًا مسندًا ، أما أن يكون هناك رواية دون إسناد ، وتشتهر وتستفيض ويتلقاها العلماء بالقبول ، فهذا ما لا وجود له البتة .
فانتشار الحديث الذي لا أصل له لا يشفع له ولا يرفعه إلى درجة الصحة مهما استفاض وانتشر ، وكم اشتهرت روايات وانتشرت وهي باطلة موضوعة وليس لها أصل ، بل لقد جمع بعضهم مثل هذه الأحاديث في مصنف ككتاب " كشف الخفاء ومزيل الإلباس عما اشتهر من الأحاديث على ألسنة الناس " للعجلوني .
فالإسناد هو الفيصل والحكم .

Arrayعميدنا العزيز
في مداخلتى السابقة كان سؤالي بوضوح
( هل تخلى المالكية عن هذا الاصل عندهم ؟ ام انه مازال صحيحا عندهم ؟)[/quote]

أجبت عنه آنفًا

Arrayو كذلك احتاج الي تعليقك على كلامي الذي تفضلت بنقله في المداخلة رقم 9 و القائل

إقتباس
فهما لما سبق اعتمدت عدد من المذاهب الاسلامية صحة المراسيل و بعضها وصل الي مراسيل القرن الثالث[/quote]

ليس الإرسال فقط بسبب "الثقة" كما تفضلت ، بل قد يكون الإرسال بسبب نسيان الواسطة أو أن يذكر الحديث مذاكرة أو غيره من الأسباب .

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